Comments on: WikiLeaks: Whistleblowers or Info-Terrorists? http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/ Military.com's News and National Policy Blog Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:06:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Buddhabafflesbrainshttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2574 Buddhabafflesbrains Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:14:47 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2574 Just what information can harm our national security? Would giving the Russians or the Chinese or the Iraninas or the Venezuelans the blueprints for the F22 harm our National Security? Would giving the Iranians the exact time of our planned attack and the flight plaths that the planes and missles will follow harm US national security? Hell I think that if the Iranians had that info US national security would be greatly improved. The Iranians have proven that they know how to handle our national secrets such as codes more competenty than our own MIC. Also is it possible that when exposing corruption it may be neccessary to provide supporting details,in order to make the report credible, which would directly or indiectly identify people who have thought that they have been secretly helping US? Just what information can harm our national security? Would giving the Russians or the Chinese or the Iraninas or the Venezuelans the blueprints for the F22 harm our National Security? Would giving the Iranians the exact time of our planned attack and the flight plaths that the planes and missles will follow harm US national security? Hell I think that if the Iranians had that info US national security would be greatly improved. The Iranians have proven that they know how to handle our national secrets such as codes more competenty than our own MIC.
Also is it possible that when exposing corruption it may be neccessary to provide supporting details,in order to make the report credible, which would directly or indiectly identify people who have thought that they have been secretly helping US?

]]> By: FNAR_308http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2573 FNAR_308 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 05:19:26 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2573 This isn't all that complicated: -- an informed public can make better decisions about those who govern -- but not all government information is needed to keep the public adequately informed -- exposing corruption and incompetence is good -- divulging information that harms national security is not good -- divulging information that harms or puts in danger our people, our friends or others who help us is criminal -- criminals belong in jail, or if their crimes are serious enough they need to be put down, like rabid dogs. This isn’t all that complicated:
– an informed public can make better decisions about those who govern
– but not all government information is needed to keep the public adequately informed
– exposing corruption and incompetence is good
– divulging information that harms national security is not good
– divulging information that harms or puts in danger our people, our friends or others who help us is criminal
– criminals belong in jail, or if their crimes are serious enough they need to be put down, like rabid dogs.

]]> By: Curthttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2571 Curt Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:20:27 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2571 Oh please someone give me an example from the last 50 years of when the military has shown that they could handle the duances and context of complex and subtle information. Did such an event occur on *June 1967? Did such an event occur at any time in the first six months of 2001? What about 1988? How about in November of 2000? How about the 6th of August 2010, did they learn any thing from the sublimestone passages that were revealed along the St Croix river? __Privacy is nice for having sex. Everything else is secrecy. Secrecy is a poison to proper functioning of human collective institutions. A LITTLE poison is a times a good medicine. __It has been clearly demonstrated for many centuries that neither the US military or the economic and political elites that pander to the military that they are totally incapable of balancing the needs of the public (and therefore the world) to know and the legitimate protection of certain details that the public does not need to know.__For example the public does not need to know that during the time while I was on vacation who I did not say anything unimportant to. It would bore them to death anyways. The press would then be guilty of mass murder not me. Oh please someone give me an example from the last 50 years of when the military has shown that they could handle the duances and context of complex and subtle information. Did such an event occur on *June 1967? Did such an event occur at any time in the first six months of 2001? What about 1988? How about in November of 2000? How about the 6th of August 2010, did they learn any thing from the sublimestone passages that were revealed along the St Croix river? __Privacy is nice for having sex. Everything else is secrecy. Secrecy is a poison to proper functioning of human collective institutions. A LITTLE poison is a times a good medicine. __It has been clearly demonstrated for many centuries that neither the US military or the economic and political elites that pander to the military that they are totally incapable of balancing the needs of the public (and therefore the world) to know and the legitimate protection of certain details that the public does not need to know.__For example the public does not need to know that during the time while I was on vacation who I did not say anything unimportant to. It would bore them to death anyways. The press would then be guilty of mass murder not me.

]]> By: CRohttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2570 CRo Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:43:51 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2570 Jamie, you cite the heat-seeking missles revelation as an example of why WikiLeaks folks are "terroists" (jeesh). Then you're asked directly (in this forum, by "Larry") , why the DoD doesn't want us to know about those missles. I find no answer from you...(?). But commenter "Mark" speculates that the DoD doesn't want us (soldiers, parents, etc.) to know how our own corrupt war machine is killing innocents, including our own troops. If you have a better explanation, this is the 2nd time you've been asked. Please explain why such info is oh-so-sensitive. You say the Brass has "little confidence in the publc"... Too often now bloated, corrupt Brass hide incompetence and war profiteering behind "terrorism" and "security". For that reason alone, we need all the WikiLeaks we can get. By the way, thanks a lot for this great forum. Jamie, you cite the heat-seeking missles revelation as an example of why WikiLeaks folks are “terroists” (jeesh). Then you’re asked directly (in this forum, by “Larry”) , why the DoD doesn’t want us to know about those missles. I find no answer from you…(?).
But commenter “Mark” speculates that the DoD doesn’t want us (soldiers, parents, etc.) to know how our own corrupt war machine is killing innocents, including our own troops. If you have a better explanation, this is the 2nd time you’ve been asked. Please explain why such info is oh-so-sensitive. You say the Brass has “little confidence in the publc”… Too often now bloated, corrupt Brass hide incompetence and war profiteering behind “terrorism” and “security”. For that reason alone, we need all the WikiLeaks we can get.
By the way, thanks a lot for this great forum.

]]> By: ProudPrimatehttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2569 ProudPrimate Sun, 01 Aug 2010 03:03:55 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2569 If only somebody could have leaked info that confuted Judith Miller's and Michael Gordon's fraudulent casus belli that had been fed them by the Pentagram the day before, and quoted on TV by Dick Cheney the day after, perhaps a million utterly innocent people of Iraq would still be alive. The media and the military have forfeited their credibility long ago. Viva leaks! If only somebody could have leaked info that confuted Judith Miller’s and Michael Gordon’s fraudulent casus belli that had been fed them by the Pentagram the day before, and quoted on TV by Dick Cheney the day after, perhaps a million utterly innocent people of Iraq would still be alive.

The media and the military have forfeited their credibility long ago. Viva leaks!

]]> By: ProudPrimatehttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2568 ProudPrimate Sun, 01 Aug 2010 02:58:16 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2568 As says the great Robert Parry of ConsortiumNews, who more or less single-handedly carried the ball on Iran/Contra after the jealous press destroyed the original scooper, Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury-News, the Reagan administration pumped massive quantities of these to what became the Taliban and al Qaeda via Pakistan (in particular the ISI which created the talibs in those madrassas) for the purpose of bringing down the Soviets. This was originally Brzezinski's idea, but Reagan ramped it up to AAA levels, and Bush 41 continued it. The reward paid to Pakistan for their services was to turn a blind eye to their nuclear program, which is primarily pointed at India. Brzezinski told Le Nouvel Observateur, "What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" As says the great Robert Parry of ConsortiumNews, who more or less single-handedly carried the ball on Iran/Contra after the jealous press destroyed the original scooper, Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury-News, the Reagan administration pumped massive quantities of these to what became the Taliban and al Qaeda via Pakistan (in particular the ISI which created the talibs in those madrassas) for the purpose of bringing down the Soviets. This was originally Brzezinski’s idea, but Reagan ramped it up to AAA levels, and Bush 41 continued it. The reward paid to Pakistan for their services was to turn a blind eye to their nuclear program, which is primarily pointed at India. Brzezinski told Le Nouvel Observateur, “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?”

]]> By: Rick_Bhttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2567 Rick_B Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:03:30 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2567 "Nothing to see here, move along now," seems to be the meme across the mainstream media spectrum.Fortunately, Mr. McIntire cannot do anything about WikiLeaks. May many WikiLeak-like organizaations bloom! May many more shout "the King is naked."It is a better world when we know that the US tortures,waterboards, etc., that it kindaps people and "renders" them to third countries to be tortured, theat it assassinates people, and that it then lies through its teeth to the world and to it's trusting citizenry. It's wonderful.Now, what kind of a reporter is it that has to go to the Pentagon to ask permission to file their reports? "Oh, by the way, we have reports that your soldiers raped and the women, and then murdered the women and entire family of this hamlet in Timbuktu--should we run it?" Yeah, that's what I call an analosculatory, ersatz patriot.I go with what Mark Twain said long ago about the catchy tune "My Country, Right or Wrong." No, Mr. McIntire, "My Country, when She is Right."Were the world to rely on reporters like you, we would forever be misinformed and in the dark.Thank you, but no thank you. “Nothing to see here, move along now,” seems to be the meme across the mainstream media spectrum.

Fortunately, Mr. McIntire cannot do anything about WikiLeaks. May many WikiLeak-like organizaations bloom! May many more shout “the King is naked.”

It is a better world when we know that the US tortures,waterboards, etc., that it kindaps people and “renders” them to third countries to be tortured, theat it assassinates people, and that it then lies through its teeth to the world and to it’s trusting citizenry. It’s wonderful.

Now, what kind of a reporter is it that has to go to the Pentagon to ask permission to file their reports? “Oh, by the way, we have reports that your soldiers raped and the women, and then murdered the women and entire family of this hamlet in Timbuktu–should we run it?” Yeah, that’s what I call an analosculatory, ersatz patriot.

I go with what Mark Twain said long ago about the catchy tune “My Country, Right or Wrong.” No, Mr. McIntire, “My Country, when She is Right.”

Were the world to rely on reporters like you, we would forever be misinformed and in the dark.

Thank you, but no thank you.

]]> By: Elizahttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2566 Eliza Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:58:14 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2566 Jamie, Really? Are you sure Blitzer is aware of this? LOL I understand what you're saying, I guess I just think you're focusing too much on Wikileaks and their alleged motivations regarding the argument you're making. This is bigger than Wikileaks. If it wasn't them, eventually, it would be someone else. Trust me, I am an extremely private person, but I realize that like it or not, we are increasingly living in an ultra-public world. What gives me comfort, is that there is usually push back in these sorts of situations, and ultimately things get balanced out (though I would not deny we're living on a slippery slope). Just look at Facebook. Clearly the company would like everything you post to be public, and users have consistently fought back when things have gone too far. I actually don't think we disagree all that much on the overall issue; I just very much take offense with your use of the word "terrorist." I don't fully defend Wikileaks. I don't feel that I know enough about them to do so, but I fail to see how they are a terrorist organization. Quite frankly, excepting right wingers, you are the only person I've heard call them that (and no, your question mark does not get you off the hook). As for having my info published, of course I wouldn't like it, but it's a rather straw man argument, don't you think? I'm not a public figure. I'm not a war or an institution that the public is paying for of any kind. You can't compare government secrecy to some random person's personal photos and Netflix queue. Jamie,

Really? Are you sure Blitzer is aware of this? LOL

I understand what you’re saying, I guess I just think you’re focusing too much on Wikileaks and their alleged motivations regarding the argument you’re making. This is bigger than Wikileaks. If it wasn’t them, eventually, it would be someone else. Trust me, I am an extremely private person, but I realize that like it or not, we are increasingly living in an ultra-public world.

What gives me comfort, is that there is usually push back in these sorts of situations, and ultimately things get balanced out (though I would not deny we’re living on a slippery slope). Just look at Facebook. Clearly the company would like everything you post to be public, and users have consistently fought back when things have gone too far. I actually don’t think we disagree all that much on the overall issue; I just very much take offense with your use of the word “terrorist.” I don’t fully defend Wikileaks. I don’t feel that I know enough about them to do so, but I fail to see how they are a terrorist organization. Quite frankly, excepting right wingers, you are the only person I’ve heard call them that (and no, your question mark does not get you off the hook).

As for having my info published, of course I wouldn’t like it, but it’s a rather straw man argument, don’t you think? I’m not a public figure. I’m not a war or an institution that the public is paying for of any kind. You can’t compare government secrecy to some random person’s personal photos and Netflix queue.

]]> By: Thunder350http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2565 Thunder350 Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:42:37 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2565 Most important was when they were the first to post on the climate scandal last year. The one where the scientist made up fake data to sell global warming. Others are the list of blacklisted websites the Australian government wanted to ban. (They got some of it to be changed) And toxic chemical dumping off the coast of Africa by some corporation. (Forget the companies name). Most important was when they were the first to post on the climate scandal last year. The one where the scientist made up fake data to sell global warming.

Others are the list of blacklisted websites the Australian government wanted to ban. (They got some of it to be changed)

And toxic chemical dumping off the coast of Africa by some corporation. (Forget the companies name).

]]> By: Verified Supporterhttp://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/07/27/wikileaks-whistleblowers-or-anti-privacy-terrorists/#comment-2564 Verified Supporter Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:23:40 +0000 http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1688#comment-2564 Verified Supporter PS: Be a member of feeling good Today! PSS: I once heard a person say, if you’re even going to be guilty of anything, be guilty of Giving Thanks, Allowing Love to Flow, Having Compassion, Asking For and Forgiving yourself and others while Doing your very Best in Life! My Attentions and Intentions are to do well with my hobby Verified Supporter and I am Grateful! Thus, I tell myself that I deserve Love, Peace, Joy, Health and Wealth, and I focus my attention and intentions on that Now! Any thing other than that I've been there and done that and for 10 long horrific years ofm y life. I was in a living Nightmare and if nothing else I care in doing. I care in doing my best in doing something that would help me do well as a Disable Veteran. Verified Supporter

PS: Be a member of feeling good Today!

PSS: I once heard a person say, if you’re even going to be guilty of anything, be guilty of Giving Thanks, Allowing Love to Flow, Having Compassion, Asking For and Forgiving yourself and others while Doing your very Best in Life!

My Attentions and Intentions are to do well with my hobby Verified Supporter and I am Grateful!

Thus, I tell myself that I deserve Love, Peace, Joy, Health and Wealth, and I focus my attention and intentions on that Now!

Any thing other than that I’ve been there and done that and for 10 long horrific years ofm y life. I was in a living Nightmare and if nothing else I care in doing. I care in doing my best in doing something that would help me do well as a Disable Veteran.

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