What WAS he thinking?

What WAS he thinking?

“Flounder… You f**ked up… you trusted us!“
– Otter, Animal House, 1978

A lot of folks are scratching their heads about how a sharp operator like Gen. Stanley McChrystal gave carte blanche access to a Rolling Stone reporter whose all-too-accurate portrayal of the less attractive side of his command did him in.

I mean it’s Rolling Stone, what did he expect?  Michael Hastings, the former Baghdad correspondent for Newsweek magazine, says he has no idea why McChrystal was so generous in sharing his innermost doubts and invited him along to witness the irreverent and sometimes contemptuous attitude of his top aides.


Hastings speculated to ABC, among others that it might simply be a character flaw, “a sort of natural kind of recklessness.”

I have another theory based on my 16 years of traveling with senior defense officials and military officers.  Gen. McChrystal might have been under the misimpression Hastings would protect him, in return for the great access and candor.

The dirty little secret among beat reporters who routinely travel with top military officials is that there’s a unwritten code, a general understanding, that off-color jokes, irreverent banter, and casual conversations are generally off-the-record, or on the deepest of background, unless otherwise agreed upon.

Usually this is an informal understanding, especially when a group of reporters is traveling with an official, but sometimes it’s part of official ground rules, like for instance on the Defense Secretary’s official plane.  All conversations are off-the-record, and if you want something on-the-record, you have to ask and get permission.  This is to allow the Secretary, and his top lieutenants, to let their hair down and relax. It also gives the reporters a chance to get to know the officials and have unguarded conversations with them, information that can be very useful in providing context down the road. It makes the plane a welcome sanctuary at the end of, what is often, a grueling day.  The plane policy began as an informal understanding, until one reporter blogged a first-person account of what it’s like traveling on the official aircraft, and mentioned that the flight surgeon was handing out sleeping pills to anyone who felt they needed them.  This angered then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the result was a formal policy.

A formal policy would certainly have helped Gen. McChrystal, because the most explosive and disrespectful comments came, not from him, but his staff, none of whom were named in the Rolling Stone article.  (That would be what we call background attribution, but not DEEP background, which would conceal their positions as well as their names.)  And by the way nothing is ever truly off the record, unless it’s between just two people who trust each other, and one is dead.*  SEE: AJR “Off the Record”

McChrystal may have been lulled into a false sense of security by his previous experience with military reporters, who stuck to the big issues, and didn’t embellish their stories with all the titillating tidbits of daily life of “Team McChrystal.”  Hastings, after all had covered the military, and the war close up for a mainstream publication, Newsweek.

So why would reporters protect senior military officers from what could be career-ending self-inflicted wounds?  One word, “access.”  Access now, and even more importantly access later.  No self-respecting reporter wants to give the military a free ride, but the best way to get future access to leave the impression you gave them a fair shake.  So most beat reporters, who need continued access, are willing to forgo a momentary splash with a sexy anecdote in return for more access down the road, when they really need to know what’s going on.  But the agreement is made up front.  “THIS part is on the record, THIS part is on background, THIS can be reported.”  If reporters think they are being manipulated, they can simply not agree to the terms.

I once had a senior commander, very senior, who would call me up and want to go off-the-record.  I often resisted, but it was the only way he would talk to me.  He would vent about problems with the Pentagon, and frustrations with his mission, and sometimes I could eventually get him to go on-the-record, and he would throw me a scrap I could report.  Then I would see him at a news briefing and he would be toeing the administration line.  I wasn’t a big admirer of his integrity, but it was valuable to know what he was really thinking, and I factored it into my reporting.

I have also been allowed to sit in on private meetings where military commanders conferred with national leaders.  It was off the record, but again, provided insight that could help me calibrate my reporting, and say things I knew to be true with more authority.

No doubt some people will think this relationship is too cozy, that everything should always be on-the-record.  In an ideal world that would be true.  But the truth about anonymous sources is that while journalist purists decry them, often the only way some of these people can speak freely if they know they won’t lose their job for telling the truth.

Hastings really didn’t burn McChrystal as much as he did himself in with an excess of hubris, and a shortage of common sense. You might think he would have learned a lesson from the forced retirement of Ad.l William Fallon, who was portrayed in an Esquire magazine profile in 2008 as brazenly bucking the Bush White House on Iran policy.  Defense Secretary Gates praised and buried him the same day.

And maybe some recall how in 1995, Pulitzer-prize winning reporter Tom Ricks, then working for the Wall Street Journal, probably curtailed the career of a rising commander Col. Greg Fontenot. Ricks was embedded with Fontenot in Bosnia, and reported some politically incorrect remarks the Colonel made in casual conversation, one a reference to the Bosnian Croats as racists, and another expressing private doubts the U.S. would leave Bosnia in 12 months, as scheduled.

Remember, the press isn’t the enemy, but we’re not your friends either.  SEE: “Know Your Frenemy”

* off-the-rec•ord adj. 1. Not for publication, public disclosure, or reporting in any form–unless it’s really, really good.

PHOTO CREDIT: U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Mark O’Donald/NATO


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I think your analysis is correct…there was too reliance on the reporter not to burn the source…but the big mistake was allowing the staff to operate under that same assumption…they showed they were not worthy of that level of trust. Good post, Jamie.

Only you would quote Animal House.

I think you should update it this afternoon to John Blutarsky’s quote:
“My advice to you is to start drinking heavily!”

(And that does NOT mean Bud Light Lime)

I’m not sure what to think. Gen McChrystal should’ve, perhaps, been more careful what he was saying around Hastings (or made it clear what was attributable and what was not). Also, Mr Hastings should’ve realized the unprecedented access he had an not abused it. McChrystal took the blame, as any good leader should, and I don’t think he should be fired for it. Especially if the people he is trying to help still appreciate him.

How many other commanders criticize their bosses, but don’t get fired because no one is there to publish it?

Jamie, This is really spot on and I appreciate your analysis as someone who has had this type of access. McChrystal’s mistake wasn’t in criticizing his Commander-in-Chief, it was doing so publicly, regardless of the “access” the reporter was given. Indeed, the medium is the message in this case. It’s ROLLING STONE, just as you wrote. President Obama was correct in accepting his resignation, as that type of insubordination should not be tolerated. I wonder what my brother thinks of all this. He’s an Army major and still hasn’t told me who he voted for in the last presidential election. McChrystal would have been wise to keep his vote and his feelings close to the vest.

Speaking of the Warrior Code, not everyone on the battlefield is a warrior. Certainly, not every reporter. Nuff said.

Warrior Code — what is that supposed to mean? I understand that being a soldier is a special thing, but so is living in a society where the people you fight for are allowed to know the truth.

I believe your assessment is correct. Hastings abused an established ‘code of ethics’. Unfortunately Gen. McChrystal had to take the fall. A very sad event.

I wonder…
1. Did Gen McChrystal have a Public Affairs Officer (PAO) as a member of his team?. By position, the PAO is part of the commander’s personal staff. Did he rely on his PAO or ignore him?
2. Did anyone ever tell Gen McChrystal that if “You go off-the-record, your probably saying something that you shouldn’t?” Even Jamie’s blog alludes against going off-the-record, “And by the way nothing is ever truly off the record, unless it’s between just two people who trust each other, and one is dead.“
3. Did McChrystal’s team know of past mistakes by senior officials — Adm Fallon and Adm Macke — that resulting in them having to resigned.
4. Did Gen McChrystal’s staff know that mixing booze and business, doesn’t mix?

There is an Air Force Lt Col on the staff. He writes a blog at http://​www​.quattozone​.com and he wrote one on this yesterday. He obviously doesn’t give a lot of details but he does have an opinion. An interesting read. Unfortunately, I’m not sure how much access he had since Duncan Boothby was also there.

Jamie — I think you said it well. And as military PAO myself, Hastings broke the “code” — military brass is already skittish enough around the press; this did not help the press or the PAO trying to get them access.

NO JAMIE…YOU ARE NOT SPOT ON. It’s amazing how most journalist can write a full story without ever going to the source. I know Michael Hastins in in Afghanistan [but CNN managed to contact him] but don’t make suppositions based on YOUR experience. YOUR experience as a journalist and Hastin’s experience can be as diverse as two different planets. According to Michael Hastins, rules concerning what was on or off the record were dicussed in DETAIL and ALL parties agreed. THE RECORDING DEVICE WAS ALWAYS IN PLAIN VIEW; Gen McCrystal and his aides were even REMINDED when they made questionable remarks. I’ve never heard of this “code” either and I’m a field grade officer and it’s probably because it on exist in certain cultural circles. I still don’t understand why McCrystal retired.…an officer of his reputation can bounce back from being relieved of a command. Jamie, I think your question is still unsolved.…“What were they Drinking…I mean thinking.”

I never let my Principals speak with the Press — any Press — unless the remarks were prepared in advance and cleared by me (Chief of Staff), the appropriate Assistant Director/Division Chief/Department Head/etc. and the Public Information Officer. Generally speaking, the Liberal Press is the enemy of the Administration and the military!

What ever happened to honorable reporters like Chet and David? Reporters today are all about “getting the scoop” to pad their own reputation and not giving a damn about the real problem or story. Of course the military is skittish about having reporters with them! Too many of our nations secrets get let out because of them and stupid “sources”. Hastings knew exactly what he was doing and got his 15 minutes of fame. Wait till some politician wants to put a hastings on the first sub with a woman on board. We won’t lose any war due to lack of military might, it will be from the pen of some irresponsible reporter like Hastings who either can’t or won’t keep his mouth shut. Just because you know a secret doesn’t mean you should tell the world. Pretty much defeats the whole purpose!!

Got a question — Yes, Gen McCrystal resigned from his command position, did he also resign from the US Army?

The press is all over this, the General resigned! Now the next reporter is going to try and get his stripes (old army phrase) by one upping Hastings. How many top ranking commanders are going to allow a reporter to imbed with their command? The press is now going to be spoon fed information on a 10 foot long spoon. And now they are going to cry that they don’t have access. TOUGH!

By the way, I haven’t heard that any of McCrystal’s staff have resigned. They destroyed a commander by their inappropriate comments and none of them have taken the responsibility for their actions. They should resign enmasse. Besides their career is going to be limited. Their next commander is going to know they stuck it to McCrystal and not trust them. Who could blame a general if his next XO was one of the guys who got McCrystal canned.

In order to understand Gen. McChrystal’s recent actions with respect to the Rolling Stone article one first has to understand that all Spec Op folks are taught from day one to think out of the box to defeat the enemy. The General was obviously frustrated with the lack of support from the Obama Administration in terms of troops, the withdrawal deadline and rising casualty rates. He knew that if he just resigned his resignation would be swept under the rug and it would be business as usual. But if he appeared to bad mouth his boss in public via a left wing publication and then “forced” to resign he would force folks to take notice and bring the Afghan War once again to the front page. The new commander would then face a relatively easier time getting what he needs from Obama to successfully execute the war in light of this attention. As can be seen the rules of engagement are already being rumored to be changing as we speak. Bottom line .… Gen. McChrystal sacrificed himself and his career for his troops and the country. He is a true American hero looking out for his troopers just as he was taught as a Cadet at West Point.

NEVER TRUST A REPORTER. THESE SEWER RATS WILL DO ANYTHING TO CREATE A STORY. WHAT DO THEY CARE IF THEY DESTROY PEOPLE’S REPUTATIONS OR CAREERS. THEY GET THEIR PAYDAY AT OTHER PEOPLE’S MISERY. THEY’RE AT ABOUT THE SAME POND SCUM LEVEL AS LAWYERS.

TOO BAD THE GENERAL COULDN’T SEE THE ENEMY WITHIN.

Maybe you’re missing the “leadership” principle in your comments — McCrystal’s failure to curtail his puppets — and their disengenuous comments about the commander in chief was his responsibility and the reason for his ultimate demise. Their comments, regardless of the forum they were made in, were disrespectful of the nation’s leadership. Had a junior enlisted man or woman made those contemptuous remarks, and failed to “change their tune” they would have, in all likelihood, been bounced out of the military via a military board which could have assigned a bad conduct discharge (BCD). This would certainly been reasonable in my opinion. McCrystal’s lucky to have his stripes .… Obama was curtious by allowing him to resign .… He should have been fired ! ! !

NYPD RET has it right! Never trust a reporter! “Stormin Norman” had it right. Keep them in a dark room and
turn the lights on once a day, feed them pablum, turn the lights off.

I WOULDN’T TRUST ANY REPORTER EITHER, NOT EVEN IF IT WAS PURE B.S.

Jon
Sadly that is not the way it works between the miliitary and civilian authority. In the military we are encouraged to give our honest opionion even when you are the in the minority. Civilian authority ALWAYS looks at the political affect. We could give you list of situations like Kent State, South American countries, Viet Nam, China and Korea — the Civilian authority ALWAYS massaged the message and the mission.

It is unfortunate that Rolling Stone felt that it was necessary to print what should have been private exchanges between officers in a difficult and exhausting situation. The General and his staff have been on the front line and have experienced things that the reporter, as a non military member, could never understand. I find it interesting that nearly everyone who has never experienced the military, let alone a battle situation has all the answers. Yes, the President is conceptually in charge of the military, however, he has never served and as such I personally feel that he hasn’t a clue what it is like to be responsible for the welfare of so many. I, myself was not a military member but a spouse of one. I watched my husband make decisions that were not popular with the command but he was respected and his orders were followed without hesitation. However, because he bucked the system his promotions came more slowly than those of his counterparts who played the games. His career ended sooner than he would have liked. However he left knowing he had the respect of those in his Battalion as well as others that had been under his command.

Yes the General should have been more careful in his statements, however, to be called on the carpet because of a article by Rolling Stone, which I have always considered a magazine usually dedicated to anti-establishment articles or personnel, was not fair. Come on the Rolling Stone. But as I said earlier you have a group of people who have never served in the military making decisions which affect the lives of our servicemen and their families.

i SPENT 30 YEARS IN THE NAVY.IF PRESIDENTS WERE FLIES ON THE WALLS OF ANY MILITARY INSTALLATION,THEIR EARS WOULD BURN CONSTANTLY FROM THE REMARKS MADE.IF THEY ALL RESIGNED,90% OF THE MILITARY WOULD BE GONE.ANYONE WHO THINKS G.I.‘S LIKE BEING IN IRAQ,OR ANY OTHER WAR ZONE IS FOOLING THEMSELVES.YOU’RE AWAY FROM FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES.LIVE IN CRUMMY CONDITIONS AND HAVE LITTLE OR NO PRIVACY.YET YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMPLAIN IF YOU EVER WANT TO BE ADVANCED IN PAY GRADE.FOR OFFICERS ITS POLITICS AS USUAL.THERE’S A REAL SIDE AND A NEWSPAPER SIDE TO MILITARY LIFE.

Yes he did.….. won’t actually “retire” until later this year though.

Larry, I think your take on this is closer to reality than the article than has spawned this discussion. I don’t understand why folks think that a 4 count ‘em 4 star General was “lulled into a false sense of security”. Doesn’t it make more sense to assume the General knew exactly what he was doing ?

Whether it was Rolling Stone, the Wall Street Journal or the Enquirer, General McCrystal embarrased the CINC.. He’s been in the Army his adult life, he knows the rules. And its the not the first time.

I wouldn’t expect your husband to tolerate insubordination and I don’t think you would want that for him.

If Obama and his Chicago thugs or even senators and congressmen/women were treated the same as McChrystal, no one would be running this country. Think about the stupid and vulgar things the VP says all the time and Obama and the media treats him as a standup comic–Biden is just Biden!

This was the General’s third mistake and he should never allowed the belittling the Commander-In-Chief among his staff. I am a retired field grade officer and would not tolerated such actions from my staff.

After all, it’s about selling more magazines, isn’t it? Whatever it takes to boost sales.
If your premise is correct, in the future reporters will have one hell of a difficult time getting anything of substance out of our military leaders.

Spot On!!

You are right on! I believed this to be the case from the start. My 20 years as an Army officer would not allow me to believe McChrystal did this unknowingly. I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that 30 minutes McChrystal had Obama’s ear with nothing to lose since he had already resigned. Now that would have been something to get “on the record”. Isn’t it amazing that the strategy is changing after that little meeting. It may appear to be Petraeus’ idea to change things up in Afghanistan but I bet you anything all this “change” can be traced back to that 30-minute meeting.

Good Answer. It can also be recognized that the General was so fed up with “go no where ” washington Politics, that he finally got too Frusterated to take the Crap any more.

There is a fine line between the Code of Conduct and the Oath of Allegience. It is hard to bear faith with your leaders, when you are sworn to defend the constitution of the United States against “all Enemies, both foreign and Domestic” Right now the Current administration and NATO are the worst 2 enemies the American Military face. War is winable, politics and internal BS is not.

Gen McChrystal considered his comments a mission. The mission was to inform the American public that civilian authorities do not know what they are doing. As with any commando in any mission there is a chance of taking a bullet and death. The General took the bullet and now many more Americans realize that civilian leaders know very little of Afghanistan. Other than how to throw money at the problem. If General McChrystal, who has voted with the Democrats most of his adult life, runs for public office, he’s got my vote.

We are a better nation having people like Stan McChrystal.

Roger That Jack.DC.
While most Americans are trying to make ends meat, Stan McChrystal is trying to save a nation. Protect and Defend the Constitution (not political hacks). A Constitution many Americans have allowed politicians to vomit all over.

It will be a cold day in hell if another reporter is allowed anywhere near our tent. We have been warned that you are legally allowed to “discuss” the conditions on the ground with the press, and you will be held responsible for those comments attributed to you. As I tell everyone…Just say “Hi Mom, Hi Honey, give the kids a hug”…when a microphone and a camera lens is stuck in your face. Those peddlers of propaganda know all too well to stay away from my folks…because you never know when the next accident make happen!

One might had though.General McChrystal was doing nothing more than bringing his command up too snuff on the vocabulary of the Obama Administration.Questions i need to know!
1.)The Stoned Reported got his high from what and how did he get possession of such?
2.)If all claim him to have had a leftest bias.How credible was he?
3.)Was he an Administration secret agent spy for Obama the anti-military President?
4.)Did,the no-shoot medal pIay a role?
5.)Did the General say to the President, Here’s my beef?
6.)Did the General say to the President GOT I.D.?
7.)Did the General say only one of us have security clerance to walk this building,and that’s NOT YOU?
8.)If Obama was for McChrystal before he was against McChrystal was he ever supportive of him?
9.)With the Leaders of the 60’s home grown terrorest advising the President.
Do you feel safe with Civilian Leadership?
10.)Obama and friends claimed Petraeus Betrayed Us.So,has the
President Betrayed Us by putting General Petraeus in Charge?

Got Answers?

(Part 1) I disagree. If GEN McChrystal deliberately participated in such a subterfuge, then my 28 years as a military officer lead me to seriously doubt his integrity. If his intention indeed was to sacrifice his career for the mission, his troops, etc., why didn’t he just make his point publicly, up front, during one of his countless opportunities to speak to the press or in other public forums, such as his remarks in London that brought him such notoriety several months ago? Why didn’t he make his points during his congressional testimony just a few weeks ago, when he was *under oath*?

If anyone wants to know what is really happening in Afghanistan they should read, Horse Soldiers by Doug Stanton. It is the true story of a band of U.S. soldiers who rode to victory in Afghanistan in 2001. We cannot begin to understand what brave men will do in defense of freedom. We are lucky to have them and McChrystal is among their numbers.

(Part 2) In addition, CBS’s “60 Minutes” did a hagiographic feature on him this past season that would’ve provided another perfect opportunity for him to make his views known to a wide audience. Instead, he made (“planted” might be a better term) his comments in a situation that (a) allows both him and his supporters to blame the messenger for violating the “off the record” policy and (b) probably ruined the careers of any number of the officers on his immediate staff. The latter is particularly unforgivable for any “leader,” especially one who claims he was willing to die for those staff officers. No matter how you cut *what is known about this incident to date* (and there may be mitigating circumstances that haven’t come out yet), GEN McChrystal demonstrated both poor judgment and deplorable integrity that make him unfit for command and dishonor a uniform and profession that I cherish and devoted my professional life to. Not to mention his bad taste in beer.

Why doesn’t the kiss his ass media report on his illegitimacy as an occupant of the oval office? As far as i’m concerned Gen. McChrystal was just commenting on another political flunky and not his illigitimate comander in chief. Hastings and Rolling Stone are pollutting the minds of their readers just as BP is polluting the Gulf.….IRRESPONSIBIBLE.

X2! “Professional” and “journalist” don’t seem to fit together in today’s world. “They” are the enemy and should be “stonewalled”. Screw’em!

Damn shame!!!! I wish that all liberals would cancel their subscription to this RS rag mag then Hastings
can go find another job.……wherever it may be. He certainly burned the General no matter what he thought
he was allowed to print. I just think it was the usual story for his mag and if he didn’t have ‘something’ spicy
in it, then he had nothing to report. So it’s the usual ‘hot off the press’ reporting trying to get headlines
and advance your own career, regardless of who it might affect.

I hope Hastings never gets another interview with anyone.….…it would serve him right. Dumb Jerk !!!!!!!!

It is these kind of people that take their freedom that Soldiers fight for day in and day out. To provide the very freedom they enjoy and take for granted. This kind of reporting should be banned. In civilian life there is the same problem with someone in charge and the one who doesn’t care for how they are running things. If you don’t like it dont leak it to the press they screw it up anyway. Go to the source and see if things can be resolved to the better. Communication is the key, being a good listner to see their point of view as well. Otherwise keep it close to the vest.

Yep!!!The truth hurts.….

Freedom of Speech can hurt you no matter if it’s behind close doors or not. Nothing is secret!!!

Yes, but the President. I would have told him face to face. Now thats showing “being in a difficult and exhausting situation.”

Party loyalty, huh. Demo-publican is not the issue here. Mac is not going to run for office. He would not take that chance!!!

As President, who is making decisions with his staff, has not done anything that any other civilian would have done. If the CEO of Wall Street read a comment like that, he will fire you, don’t you think? The leader makes the final decision, along with his staff’s approval or disapproval.

I think the whole thing is disgusting…when men are exhausted from battle and there are no backup from the government they should be able to speak out…my heart goes out to General McChrystal and his family and the men that were under him…i hope that these people will avoid the press in the future then what will they print…lies more lies.…i will never read the rolling stones mag again…i look at it like i look at enquire mag..its just trash…be aware commanders, privates, generals and all the other armed services people…run run as fast as you can from these reporters…they will destroy you…take the advice from another contributor to these blogs.…take the time to say “hi honey doing great…kiss the kids for me…and the government should be ashamed of themselves…

Big mistake letting any reporter in the area as they all distort because it sells rags!

Being former military, the golden rule is; the less information to a reporter the less lies, confussion, and harm !!!!!!
I ofcorse will not buy, subscribe or support Rolling Stone or any company employing Hastings in any fashion and I encourage everyone to do the same. After all; Hasting wrote the article , but Rolling Stone edited and published the article.
We are having life changing and culture changing laws passed in this country by a president who doesn’t even cover his heart during the National Anthem or show any respect to our fallen soldiers. American needs to wake up and take a look at the real problems which are not being reported !!~!!!

If you’re talking about the picture that was supposedly taken at a Veteran’s Day Ceremony where everyone except the President is saluting — it’s a hoax. According to Snopes, it’s actually a picture taken at a Memorial Day Ceremony and the band is playing “Hail to the Chief” at that moment.

It would be appropriate for the military standing on the platform to salute but I have never seen any president salute himself during “Hail to the Chief”.

I believe our life changing culture is the increased political polarization in our nation that is a by-product of talk radio.

As many of you already are aware of, McChrystal is a liberal and as such in all probability felt at ease around these idiots from Rolling Stone Magazine. I’m completely against any leader who places any credence in any liberal policies, most importantly those in command. Can’t people see the path that Barry Soetero is taking our country down? This reminds this old retired Marine of what happened in Viet Nam with the liberal press.

Here’s hoping it is just the tip of the iceberg. Here’s hoping that there are enough of those in the military ready to coalesce into an economy of force necessary to save our country and preserve our freedoms and our way of life (in time). Here’s hoping that Gen McChrystal has the support and praise of all members of all branches of the military as he so rightly deserves. Here’s hoping that there are others that have a “pair” as large as his.

What does anyone not understand? The man, a General knows what and how to say something,as he was getting the heck out so he wouldn’t be a part of needless bloodshed of our youth for an unattainable cause, the way this war is being fought.

I agree completely. Thanks for checking Snopes​.com to correct the record.

Give me a break, Larry. Are you suggesting that General McChrystal took one for his troops?? I thought his job was to make the other SOB take one for his troops. Or was Patton just blowing smoke?

I can’t think of anyone who will be less help in my workplace tomorrow, than the person who doesn’t show up.

As the old saying goes, “loose lips — sinks ships”. Sometimes it best to keep the mouth shut & don’t be the fish that gets caught. Remember, the whole world is watching and listing at the superpowers every day and a lot of countries would like to see the U.S. fail in the Middle East.

Before I retired I was trained my opinions where not allowed unless cleared by PAO. While the Press concentrated on the election and Iraq pull out, Afghanistan is becoming the OK Corral. USA AND the rest of the World have a different mind set. The US try to get their allies to conform to our thinking by show of force and deals. My opinion the Gen. didn’t feel he was Wyatt Earp thus he fell on his Sword. Relinquished his command and gave the president a way out. Allowing him, the president, an excuse to stay past his deadline. IF Gen Petraus can’t get it done than we will be there ? LONGER THAN PLAN. Afghanistan is starting to sound like the Battle of the Bulge — Gen. McChrystal is the first of many Generals to lose their job, like in HUERTEGEN FORREST Campaign, WWII 4th inf Div. Commands/Generals/reports will come and go, while our soldiers and families suffer the consequences. Whats next ? DRAFT…I think so.

He wasn’t fired, he resigned and he should have stood before a Court Martial for what was said. He is not the CIC, the President is and if the General had any brains he’d have kept his mouth shut about “Hot” topics, rather he chose to talk. And calling the Rolling Stones reporter is childish and idiotic. Just because he told the truth it makes him a Liberal???

More of the Top enemy were killed in a year and a half under Obama than Bush did in 7 years. You’re just a Righty aren’t you? Your dinkiedow All Righty? Secret agent? Go see a specialist for that twisted head.

The General didn’t deny anything that was said. I guess its easier to blame the messenger than the message. What Lies are you talking about? Nothing was denied. Don’t read the Mag, but don’t trash it for reporting what was said. I’m a former Marine and believe he should have been Court Martialed for insubordination.

AMEN sister ! The President should be NOTIFIED as to what the military is doing, NOT tell them what they should do. As stated, The President DOSEN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO in a military format. If Obama wants to be helpful, help BP clean our OUR Gulf, and let the TRUE military leaders do their jobs.…

Enough already with the embedded reporters. It is exactly the same as having an embedded cobra, nothing good can come of it. Sooner or later they all decide to show off to the world and bite the hand that feeds them. Throw them all out and cancel their passports. Dirty work needs to be done and our military is always the ones tasked to do the dirtiest of the dirty work. We know that, but the American people are such drama queens that they sit glued to their TVs waiting for the next media betrayal of confidence like it is some soap opera.

Enough with the ‘code’. Anyone that needs a ‘code’ to keep them out of trouble for whatever reasons deserves to be exposed. I don’t care who you are, there is no free pass. Bad behavior needs accountability. And since the ‘code’ keeps covering for it, it might as well make the front pages. If it was handled appropriately, then it wouldn’t warrant front-page coverage. Not maintaining standards causes the predicament.

Offensive jokes? Keep them for close friends, in a social setting. Strong opinions about policy? Keep it professional and there is nothing to hide, or worry about getting out.

McCrystal& Palin 2012

I guess that’s the point, William. Bitching is part of any soldier’s job description, but only a fool does it around a reporter (or the Company suck up).

BrownSugarC, Apparently you don’t work for some of the same senior officers I did. I had some COs who wanted to hear the truth, and would the make up their own minds, but I also had at least to O-6 COs whose attitude was “If I need to know what you think, I’ll tell you what to think”. I’ve also seen senior officers massage the heck out of reports going up the chain. Unfortunately, civilian or military, some people are simply corrupted by power. It comes of being human. [Surprised to se you mention Kent State. I don’t remember any military officers standing up and saying ‘Oops, we fired on a bunch of unarmed Americans college kids, killing three protetors and one girl who just hapened to be walking by.” I must have missed it.]

I hope “Old Jarhead” means you’re no longer on active duty, since you have obviously given up on both your oath and the UCMJ. The Commander and Chief is the Commander in Chief– and if you’re on active duty, you don’t have to like him, but you have to both obey him and refrain from slandering him. That’s not my opinion– it’s the law. He’s the “legitimate” occupant of the Oval Office because A} he was elected by the American people, and B} he was thoroughly vetted by the FBI, Secret Service and the McCain-Palin campaign, all of which agreed he was legally qualified for the post. So stand down, jarhead!

say what? these two were at the head of some of the worst reporting of the late 60’s and early 70’s. They made of more lies and then truths. just remember ” never trust a reporter.”

I was raised to believe that if you had the facts, understood the way things worked and could made a reasonable argument, the truth would win, every time. Now I see that evidence, experience, science and clear language are only occasionally effective. Mostly people believe what they want to believe and woe to anyone who tells them different.

To all the “patriots” who don’t believe in civilian control of the military– Seriously? Have you read the Constitution of the United States of America, the one that oath swears to defend? Since you admire martial virtues, perhaps you find the UCMJ easier to follow? DO keep in touch after you move to Burma, or Sudan, or wherever you find like minded people. I’d be interested in how you compare it to the poor old USA, with weak civilians telling the military heros what to do.

To all the political enthusiasts who see another example of that hated “liberal media distorting the truth”- Seriously? Have you read Jamie McIntyre’s piece for today? Its attached to the blog you’re responding too. Nobody’s questioning the reporter’s quotes. They’re accurate, and in context. The reporter (and apparently the editor) for this piece thought they were siding WITH McChrystal, and against Washington. You’re not even beating a dead horse, its a dead idea. I’m sure Fox News, Handloader’s Digest and Biblical Archeology Review are busy hatching a leftist plot now. Maybe the aluminum foil hat isn’t enough to protect you. Wrap the whole house.

Jessie, above, has it right. Nicely put.

Hastings should have titled his article “My last article on the military”.

Gen McChrystal has no one to blame but himself and loose lipped members of his “Team.” How many of them are going to resign? Not one! I have served at every level from USMC rifleman to G3 and N2 level positions as
well as with a black agency and a congressional investigatory committee and a congressional intel committee and I learned never to say anything to a reporter that I didn’t want to see in print “for attribution or on background.”

Maybe the General did let these comments go out on purpose to get the attention of Gen Petraeus and others up the chain of command, but a officer of his rank knows the consequences of disrespecting the VP and CINC. He isn’t a victim of the “liberal” press, he’s a victim of his and his “Teams” own words.

By the way the liberal press uncovered My Lai not the Wall Street Journal, TheBoston Globe or The St Petersburg Times.

One writer “Aviatrix ” wrote “I find it interesting that nearly everyone who has never experienced the military, let alone a battle situation has all the answers.” and But as I said earlier you have a group of people who have never served in the military making decisions which affect the lives of our servicemen and their families. “Brings to mind that great draft dodger Dick Cheney, plus his other arm chair generals Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk. I left my blood on the battlefield three timesI wonder how many combat decorations they have for their paper cuts?

Gen McChrystal served honorably and was employing some new tactics which I respect but his mouth did him in, nothing else.

get yor head out of your ass. if you read that magazine your a stupid jackass

maybe he has higher morals than his boss

WHAT REALLY GETS UNDER MY SKIN AND HAS CREATED A VISCERAL DISLIKE FOR THE THIN-SKINNED PUNK IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS THE FACT THAT THIS INCOMPETENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZER HAS BY VOTE ASSUMED THE ROLE OF COMMANDER — IN– CHIEF OF OUR GREAT MILITARY. WHAT A JOKE! HE USED THE TERM COMMANDER AND CHIEF. DIDN’T EVEN UNDERSTAND HIS POSITION. NEVER SERVED A DAY IN THE MILITARY. FOLKS HE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE BUT HE AND HIS LEFT WING LIBS ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO CHANGE THE U.S. of A. INTO SOMETHING I HOPE WE NEVER EXPERIENCE.

I JUST HAD A THOUGHT ABOUT REPORTERS WORKING IN THE FIELD.

REQUIRE THEM TO WEAR JUMP SUITS COLORED BRIGHT DAY-GLOW ORANGE WITH TARGET PATTERNS FRONT AND BACK. HAVE THEM DRIVE THEIR OWN HUMVEES PAINTED BRIGHT YELLOW (MATCHES THEIR CHARACTER) AS POINT VEHICLES AND CHECK FOR IEDS ALONG THE ROADWAYS. SHOULD GIVE THEM SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO REPORT.

GOD BLESS ALL OUR MILITARY.THEY’RE THE FINEST OF THE FINEST, BEST OF THE BEST. I SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF THEM.

Any dummy, even a general dummy knows whatever comes out of your mouth is on the record, and whatever is done in public is too. Nice to let off steam, but it had better be with the CLOSEST of friends as they take it to be on the record also. McChrystal should have been relieved and lost the 4th star, as everyone else would have. He is not above the regulations although that is the out come.

A guy who favors foreign live over Americans’ in possible life/death situations, as his boss did too, is a scumbag of the highest proportions and I would have enjoyed seeing him face a courts martial. Good riddance!!

generals do not fully retire, they are more on an inactive leave statues. if a war breaks out they can be recalled…at any age.

To: jonathanstray

It’s wonderful to know that there are idealists with rose-colored glasses who believe that American society at large is entitled to know the true thoughts of all people, including those who hazard their lives for an “entitlement” brashly proclaimed, though unwarranted. Please publish your full name, date of birth, Social Security Number, blood type, address (mailing and geographical, along with latitude & longitude), telephone number, height/weight (and all other physical characteristics), credit card & other financial information, medical records information, voter registration information and record, all recent fantasies and sexual preference(s). This is so we all know where to send a thought recorder for the publication of your information in “Rolling Stone” and other media. Since we’re entitled to the information, by your own standards, I’m sure you won’t mind.

WHILE I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT, THE NEED TO SHOUT IS NOT AS GREAT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (OR THE WORLD) AS IS NEEDED IN NEW YORK CITY. PLEASE TURN DOWN THE VOLUME, SO THAT YOU MIGHT BETTER BE HEARD BY THOSE NOT NYC HEARING-IMPAIRED.

I HAVE NO LIKING OR RESPECT FOR THE GREAT MAJORITY OF JOURNALISTS, BUT I DON’T NEED TO SHOUT ABOUT IT, AND NEITHER DO YOU.

Re: “We won’t lose any war due to lack of military might, it will be from the pen of some irresponsible reporter like Hastings who either can’t or won’t keep his mouth shut.”

Shoot the messenger, eh?

You seem to think the the job of a reporter is to NOT report what they observe! That’s like saying that the job of a soldier is to NOT FIGHT.

Alleging ALL reporters ‘are all about “getting the scoop” to pad their own reputation and not giving a damn about the real problem or story” is unsubstantiated hogwash.

Getting the story is part of the job, in the same way succeeding at the mission at hand is for those in the Military.

Unfortunately, there are Pattons and McArthurs in all forms of endeavor… acting like a loose cannon on the deck of a ship in a stormy sea. Their behavior often serves to limit their continuance.

I’d note that shooting off at the mouth isn’t limited to line officers.

Even the Commander in Chief—Reagan comes to mind—seems to sometimes forget “the mike is on.” You’ll remember several times he was overheard making less than ideal comments when the line was open prior to Saturday radio addresses.

All of this underscores the benefits of a concept our mothers and grandmothers likely tried to drum into our heads: “If you can’t say something nice about someone, don’t say anything at all.”

I can only imagine how much quieter many talk radio stations and political TV channels would be if that were an operating rule.

The inflammatory rhetoric would be subdued to the benefit of effective conversations about how to solve some of our problems in the US, and how to better address some of the world’s problems.

T.

So when the fire rolls down the hill toward your neighborhood, you’re going to leave the TV and radio off, and blithely claim that they’re telling “lies more lies?”

What sandpile do you have your head buried in? Let’s shoot the messenger because we don’t like the message.

Hmmm. Banning reporting. Seems like that contradicts your statement about soldiers fighting for the freedom to report and use to keep you informed about what people say and do.

Whistle blowers may turn to the media because they have tried as you suggested… “go to the source” and found that didn’t work or would cost them their job.

I wonder whether the general’s staffers quoted in the article would have followed your advice. If so, would they have what they reportedly said to the President’s or Vice-President’s face?

im thinking larry stone has it right. your getting a steaming bag at every turn. make some noise fall on your swoard. set the next up to win or at least get the blame placed where it belongs. politions want a thing but will not pay the cost. fast is high body count and more long term problems. slow takes more money and more commitment than the next election.

And you have documented proof of this behavior on the part of ALL reporters?

That’s like saying that every man beats his wife.

There have been reporters who wrote—and got published or broadcast stories that were fiction or unverifiable. Some of the most widely reported of these incidents happened to the New York Times, the Washington Post, if I recall correctly, and CBS News. Heads rolled, and those news outlets reported about it.

I would expect the same to happen at other media outlets where staffers fudged the facts.

I think Gen. McChrystal is one very smart fellow. I think he and his aides very effectively let the American people know what a true flake we have running this operation. He should be given the Congressional Medal of Honor for his sacrifice for the country. I hope the rest of the higher echelon of officers realize that if we are attacked, no one will have the nerve to push the button. Hopefully, they will act accordingly.

So much for Obama’s “transparent” administration…he can criticize everyone and everything but as soon as someone criticizes him, general or not, off with their heads? gotta love socialist liberal democrats.

So then Geraldo was doing his professional and patriotic duty when he reported the battle plans to the impending invasion of Iraq in the first gulf war to the world on live television. Shame on the military for trying to suppress their plans instead of satisfying the public’s “need to know everything.”

How dare they take the action of kicking him out of country and banning him from giving away further information.

You sound like an uneducated person. McChrtyhstal and his gross lack of common sense apart, God help this country if righwingers like you become the majority.

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