Afghanistan Sinking

Afghanistan Sinking

President Obama announced a winning strategy last night, in fact the only strategy can ensure success.   He was talking about battling the oil spill, but the same strategy is the only way to guarantee victory in real war as well.  The problem is this particular strategy is often THE most expensive option, and therefore the price can sometimes be too high.

Here’s what the president said last night:
“Make no mistake:  We will fight this … with everything we’ve got for as long as it takes.”

Notably, that is NOT the approach the United States is taking in Afghanistan, where the president’s strategy is more like:
“Make no mistake: we will fight this with as much as we can spare, for a least another year.”


Here’s the thing about wars. They are either worth winning, or not.  They are either vital to our national security, or not.  They are either worth a thousand American lives, and untold shattered families, or they are not.

I’m getting a sinking feeling about Afghanistan, and I’m not the only one.  There seems to be a rising tide of pessimism.  You could hear it on Capitol Hill yesterday.   You can hear it in the measured words of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who is cautioning abut the need to make significant progress by the end of the year.

“Significant progress.”  I’ve heard those words before.  And they have a hollow ring to them that doesn’t sound anything like “victory,” or even “success.”

Here’s a real sign things are going south.  When the Pentagon sees the problem as the media not reporting enough of the “good news.” Reuters quotes Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell as frustrated that reporters are spending too much time on the front lines, and suggesting they should visit some of the more quiet, stable areas of Afghanistan to get a more complete picture.  Uh.. Reporters are going to go where the fighting is.  That’s where the war is being won or lost.

As I once told a general complaining about negative coverage of early operations in Iraq in, “If you want better war coverage, you should run a better war.”

I’ve been around along enough to know that sometimes things work out despite all the missteps and roadblocks.   NATO’s air war on Kosovo comes to mind.   But I’ve also been around long enough to recognize the same shopworn excuses about why we haven’t yet turned the corner.

I’m not saying we should stay un Afghanistan forever, (because that’s how it could take).  I’m saying a open-ended strategy the only way to successfully build a functioning nation, which seems to be the linchpin of current U.S. strategy.  And I think secretly, President Obama knows he may soon have to adjust that goal, or change the strategy to match it.

The question is,  “Are we making America safer, and is it worth the cost?”

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Or, as Petraeus once said about Iraq, ‘we don’t have a communications problem, we have a results problem.’ They clearly have the former. Gates’ point is that it’s not fair to claim the latter until the end of the year. It does have echos of Iraq. Question is whether it’s Iraq 2005/06 or, as Gates said today, Iraq 2007.

When President Bush was in office the media didnt care about Afghanistan. Now that we are drawing down here in Iraq the MEDIA has all the answers to winning the war in Afghanistan? To disrespect a general, who the hell do you think you are? You are a news reporter not a warrior. Media should stay out of the frontlines period. Remember Geraldo holding up a map on CNN stating “we are here and we are going this way.” Yeah and they want to tell us how to fight a war.

It’s not what the media reports to we viewers/readers, it’s what gets reported to the DoD from commanders in country. It remains to be seen what the Iraq government can do when we leave it to them vs. what the Afghans can do, when we leave. The media has little to have an affect on these situations. The cyber world we live in gives us access to a lot more info than just TV sources. Our governement has access to far more than we citizens have & that’s how strategies/decisions are based. The media are just “strap hangers”/“ambulance chasers”. Just show pieces!

Winning the war in Iraq has as much or more to do with what has gone on away from the ‘front lines’. Keeping ‘ground won’ is done by the civil affairs guys who work with the locals to see what they need such as electricity that stays on more than 4 hours a day, clean water, safe useable schools, up to date clinics and hospitals. These things do as much or more to achieve success in Iraq. My husband spent half of a 15 month tour working on such civil structure projects, running clinics and special medical needs events, and helping Iraqis to learn how to operate small businesses to help them improve their lives.

There is very much a battle for the hearts and minds of Afghanis as well, but will be a little different because their country is so much farther behind in development than Iraq as well as the matter of the people who are still very attached to their cultural customs and tribal affiliations. We cannot force villagers to be loyal to us, we must earn their loyalty and protect them from the terror held over their heads by the Taliban, or meet their needs that the Taliban is currently meeting because the Afghan government does not. People want to say that the Soviets and before them the Brits failed and floundered to win Afghanistan. But they both assaulted the population to subdue it by force. Other than the Taliban who are shooting at us and are in cahoots with AlQueda, we are not applying forceful assaults on the Afghan citizenry. I think we will have a positive effect on the country, even if we never catch BinLaden or completely erradicate the Taliban. I hope that eventually the people of Afghanistan will come to the same realization as the Sunni tribesmen in Iraq that AlQueda/Taliban is more of a poison than a remedy and turn on them as the Sunnis did and work with us and the tide will turn.

lMy husband asked an Iraqi during one of his civil affairs projects what he thought it would take to bring peace to his country. His answer: “Take every child under the age of 2 out of our country and nuke the rest of us” because he said there is so much bitterness between all the groups passed down generation to generation. Though some in our country have suggested a similiar solution, it is the not the way of Americans to do so. Only once have we used such force and have done well to not do so again for 60 years, and have since rebuilt and made an ally of that country. The world is not as it was 60 years ago, the enemy does not stay an ocean away, its soldiers do not wear a uniform and follow a political philosophy that they can be convinced of its incorrectness. The current enemy has wrapped his power seeking in the guise of a major religion and can be only 19 men on airplanes who kill over 3,000 people in a single day. We cannot surrender the battle, we must keep the battle on the lands of the enemy and show to his neighbors that he is a liar.

You’d think they would spell check these things, or at least hire someone who knew English grammar well.

Ummm.…spell check? Ever hear of it?

Also, wars are won in the political arena today. The politicians will not stick with a war that needs to be won if it kills their career. If the news would actually report the entire story, including facts about what good is coming form this (such as new hospitals, schools, businesses for local people, etc.) maybe the public would have a better opinion of the war. But because the media report the blood and guts, the casualty rates, the bombings, the failed missions (ours and theirs), the public lose faith and so therefore do the politicians. Solution: Ban reporters from the front lines or mandate that they tell the WHOLE story and not just their opinion of what is “newsworthy.” Maybe then we would have the popular support to force the political big wigs to actually see this through. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

I agree with the Iraqi, and Kate. technically Islam has been at war with us from 1803. The whole cult is an abomination on the human species.

Obama does not care about the military ‚unless it is for his benefit. Make sure you vote all the Liberal Democrats out of office. They hate us. JOSEPH R.. KIEFFER, SSGT, USAF Ret.

A few month’s ago I read an article that said Gen McChrystal could be tempted to run for POTUS. Hmmmm

Your right JOSEPH . obama ( he doesn’t rate caps ) doe’s not give a rats ass about our servicemen and women or our flag and country. He is only interested in the next party and how he can tell someone how great he is.….….…. Other than the wars. How long did it take him to comment and respond to the BP and Gulf issues. ??????????? Wake up AMERICA If missles were coming at us from anywhere. Would we have to wait to see where they were going to hit . And then decided what our responce would be. We have sleepers in AMERICA ‚waiting for there phones to ring . “Attack your target” will be there call. And because there religion tells them to kill they will. They are a sick people, ruled by bullies that will kill there own as an example if needed.….….Need to stop ‘my blood is boiling . Ret. Navy BMCS ( 65–93 )

In my view the war in Afghanistan is being conducted by people making the same mistakes that were made in Vietnam. You cannot defeat an enemy by allowing him to have safe haven’s in our so called allies country. You cannot defeat an enemy by propping up a corrupt government that the people have no faith in. I am sick of seeing our young people in body bags while the Afghan’s cheerfully go about growing Poppies.
The problem in the Gulf of Mexico is there is no one with the authority and the balls to say this is what we are going to do and then kicking enough ass to get it done. Where is General Honore when we need him.

Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer, arrogant with power. great story teller about his ???? accomplish ments. Talks a big action to get every one else to do and if it fails it eveyone elses fault. That is what happens when the rest of the people give up and let the “others” do the voting. Their are people who die to vote and like a lot of other things here no body wants to be bothered. I think the drug culture is soo rampant that reallity escapes what is really happening, Freedom is not Free some one paid all for it and like any thing else if you do not work for it it is not appreciated or respected, The feel good generations, if it feels good do it. When the cells turn loose, it aint gonna feel good any more. A rude awakening, And I am not paranoid. Don’t own a weapon, do know how to use one, guess if the **** hits the fan I will aquire one real quick from a cell member. Probably have to butcher them, but if he is the aggressor, soo be it. The final stand wil be close up guns and knives and what ever else works.

I have to sadly disagree with the statement that the war in afghanistan will be won or lost on the front line. See there are no front lines over there no matter what you think. as a veteran of the war in Iraq, it was brought to my attention that we are “winning” in iraq because we win the hearts and minds of the people. From what I have seen they are applying the same tactic in Afghanistan. so where is the front line of that type of warfare. oh yeah its back in the rear where things are a little calmer. but it seems that none of that gets reported on national news stations. where its CNN or FOX because its not a ratings grabber. well sadly it is part of the war and is an essential part of the reason we will “win” or “lose” in Afghanistan

While he makes some good points: staying the course, all or nothing, etc; Kate’s points are even more valid.

Yeah, and wouldn’t it be nice if he had proofread the thing before posting.

Support our General, support our troops! I am ever so grateful for the freedoms we enjoy each and every day because our military defends those freedoms.

This war is not easy for civilians to understand given the distant nature and the poor press reporting.

The man in charge is only interested in complying with the wishes of the people who altimately supplyed the money, the support and anything else involved in him being elected the leader. The “Leader” nomenclature infures just that. Go where He is told to go and make the discission needed to lead the rest to follow, an other words telll them what they think they want to here and make evrybody feeely feeely goood.

hearts and mind nomenclature is to make the sponsers feel good, the fighters can be damned. Publicity to qwell the grand pubba in what ever country we get involved. It all means how much the sponsers of the desire to take over a countries are willing to have the people on the ground pay. It boils down to how much profit is available to the prever of the conflict. I believe the milantants envolved are only interested in who will pay the biggest bribe or payola fortheir efforts to not kill the soo called invaders. That area of conflict now has done the switch side game for a few thousnd years, because they have full control of THE MINDS AND HEARTS of their fellow tribes men. So goes the minds and hearts game, pay enough to the controllers and you get the mind and heart end game settled.

The postinng of THE & news media should be sensored ” loose lips sink ships” in other words THE NEWS MEDIA TELLS THEM WHERE WE ARE WHAT WERE DOING AND WHAT WERE GOING TO DO AND WHEN, KEEP– EM OUT OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POLITICAL WAR JUST LIKE VIET NAM, THE POLITICAN’S ARE RUNNING THE WAR !!!!!!! AND I THINK THAT OUR TAIL WILL BE ORDERED BETWEE OUR LEGS THEN SENT HOME THE SAME AS WAS DONE IN VIET MAN IT’S ALL THE ABOUT MONEY.

kind of like school and the real history you don’t hear. A form of propaganda. Catholics tell it one way, protestant tell it another. and I went to a public school after 14 years of a catholic school and knew after my contacts with the????????CELIBET ONESbunch?????? running the propaganda, with their mood swings , and of course their total control of the learning invironment with the unusual method of discipline, beat you with a stick that doesn’t leave marks or put you in a closet for hours. The news is the same way, “I am telling this story and it is mine, and believe me I do not lie”. Establish credibility and then carry one with the lie and opinions.

In most cases and I would not want to prejudist him, “BUT” with no military experience at all and being a lawyer, who is really interested in the power of the dollar ( like being bought, lock , stock and barrel) by who got him in the LIME LIGHT with their investment power. McChrystal has proven his mettle by actions under fire, like Kennedy, my former CIC, and Eisenhower, and other who were in the fight. McChrystal would be reserved enough to keep it quite for now though, I guess he has voiced some opinions already about the liberals and is due to get a lecture in the white house for commenting about the OB chosen few, or is foools

All of you should read President Eisenhower’s warning. As a veteran who appreciates the sacrifices so many have made, I still worry about all the jingoistic, racist nonsense I’m reading here. We’re not winning ANYTHING, just giving the taxpayers money, human lives, etc. to a military-industrial complex that is a complete waste. Just look how they treat our veterans, shipping jobs overseas, fighting not to raise the minimum wage while executives make 500+ what workers earn. And only the rich can afford health care. Please…stop..and THINK!

I really have a hard time taking many of you seriously. My eight year old son can spell better. Afghanistan is a sad commentary on how politics can disable the best military strategy, which is more than just shooting bad guys. The posts in this segment are a sad commentary on the educational system where many of you acquired your writing and spelling skills.

Even the most insightful commentary reeks of ignorance when it is misspelled or poorly written. Improve your communication skills if you want your political or social comments to carry any kind of weight.

You make some good points Kate. However, you obviously need to go back and read the history of WWII and the reasons why the two nuclear weapons were used on Japan. That is the inference you seem to be making. The comparison makes no sense in the context you present.

The use of nuclear weapons on Japan to end WWII has, and will continue to be debated as long as there are historians, politicians and soldiers. With that said, it was done to prevent massive casualties, particularly on the allied side, and to force the political/military infrastructure to capitulate and cease hostilities. That analogy simply doesn’t work in Iraq or Afghanistan since there is no political leader or uniformed military that can be readily identified.

The enemy in both places more readily resembles cockroaches. You have to find the place, environment and doctrine that breeds this type of cockroach, and change the circumstances/mindset that continues to churn out mindless haters that will murder their own children for a political/religious doctrine.

As a fellow retired MSGt, I have to agree. But we grew up when teachers actually taught, and both schools and parents raised kids with real discipline-something the LIB/Socialist PC crap now calls “child Abuse”. That is such a sad statement of how our country has been ruined, by Crushing discipline at home and school, and totally attacking our christian beliefs and values. For anyone who doesn’t understand ths, read a Bible, any Bible RE: Homosexual behavior, and then look at how the Govt is trying to make that portion of the Bible hate speech. Not surprisingly, the Koran has actual hate speech, and requirements to kill Infidels (Christians and Jews), but it is being taught in our schools-while Christianity is banned. This is not what our Founders wanted, and hoped to prevent. But our current Govt. demands Banning Christian speech, while allowing the source of 9/11 to be praised and promoted in our schools. Think about that, and get involved Politically, and with your schools, Please!!

I would not mind so much declaring victory and pulling out of Afghanistan if we were equally willing to go back again should circumstances dictate. If History provides any example, victory will be declared in 2011 and we will promptly leave. Unfortunately, it is also equally likely that we will find ourselves having to return to Afghanistan, within five years, to fight the Taliban all over again. We should plan for such a prospect. Not a criticism, just an observation.

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