<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Fortress Mentality?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/</link> <description>Military.com&#039;s News and National Policy Blog</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:06:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: David Blair</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-5586</link> <dc:creator>David Blair</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:57:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-5586</guid> <description>I agree John Vause is full of himself and a bit of a bully!! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree John Vause is full of himself and a bit of a bully!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Valley</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2134</link> <dc:creator>Steve Valley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:40:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2134</guid> <description>Jamie offered me the chance to reply and I took him up on it Mr. McIntyre is a first-class guy and I have thanked him repeatedly for reading and writing on my work. By the way, I think he was being sarcastic about me bugging him to read my book. We&#039;ve been communicating on Facebook for a while and I mentioned it to him several times. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie offered me the chance to reply and I took him up on it</p><p>Mr. McIntyre is a first-class guy and I have thanked him repeatedly for reading and writing on my work. By the way, I think he was being sarcastic about me bugging him to read my book. We’ve been communicating on Facebook for a while and I mentioned it to him several times.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cindy</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2132</link> <dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2132</guid> <description>It&#039;s interesting to me that you said Steve Valley had been bugging you to read his book. So you read it and posted your opinion on it, and then he objected to your opinion.  Apparently, he expected glowing praise from you that he didn&#039;t receive.  I think this falls into the category of &quot;be careful what you ask for, you might get it.&quot;  I&#039;ve been a working Army PAO for twenty years. I don&#039;t treat reporters any differently based on their affiliation or their behavior (within reason). I want to get my organization&#039;s stories out through as many channels as I can, so it serves me best to offer stories and access to as many media as possible.  You have to be a professional...and that means putting the job before ego and reaching out to as many folks as possible to get your message out. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s interesting to me that you said Steve Valley had been bugging you to read his book. So you read it and posted your opinion on it, and then he objected to your opinion.  Apparently, he expected glowing praise from you that he didn’t receive.  I think this falls into the category of “be careful what you ask for, you might get it.”  I’ve been a working Army PAO for twenty years. I don’t treat reporters any differently based on their affiliation or their behavior (within reason). I want to get my organization’s stories out through as many channels as I can, so it serves me best to offer stories and access to as many media as possible.  You have to be a professional…and that means putting the job before ego and reaching out to as many folks as possible to get your message out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2113</link> <dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:16:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2113</guid> <description>I think the debate should drop any reference to a particular news organization.  It is not Fox or CNN or ABC or NYT or any of the other myriad news organizations that are covering the war.  It is individuals that happen to work for one of those companies.  It is the relationships built up between the reporters and the PAOs that make it work (or not).  The PAO is usually going to work with a reporter they have established a professional relationship with.  They do not have to be friends or even see the issues the same way, but it is courtesy and professionalism that matter on any given day. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the debate should drop any reference to a particular news organization.  It is not Fox or CNN or ABC or NYT or any of the other myriad news organizations that are covering the war.  It is individuals that happen to work for one of those companies.  It is the relationships built up between the reporters and the PAOs that make it work (or not).  The PAO is usually going to work with a reporter they have established a professional relationship with.  They do not have to be friends or even see the issues the same way, but it is courtesy and professionalism that matter on any given day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Curt</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2097</link> <dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:24:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2097</guid> <description>Since when should the thinking of MSM reporters or US military spokesman count for anything when it comes to judging the quality of reporters?  Any objective person knows that there is no such thing as an objective person let alone an objective reporter.  Pay damned close attention to that.  Oh, excuse me!  Perhaps I should have first asked if any one has seen Dr. Spock reporting from Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Pakistian or Venezuela or the Pentagon or Central Command where ever the hell it really is. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when should the thinking of MSM reporters or US military spokesman count for anything when it comes to judging the quality of reporters?  Any objective person knows that there is no such thing as an objective person let alone an objective reporter.  Pay damned close attention to that.  Oh, excuse me!  Perhaps I should have first asked if any one has seen Dr. Spock reporting from Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Pakistian or Venezuela or the Pentagon or Central Command where ever the hell it really is.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NS Webster</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2086</link> <dc:creator>NS Webster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2086</guid> <description>I was an Army journalist/PAO type during Desert Storm, and a freelance embedded reporter three times from 2007-2009, so if anybody should/would be &quot;biased toward the troops&quot; it would be me. But I wasn&#039;t, mainly because the soldiers didn&#039;t care what I did 20 years ago, and I was smart enough to not try and compare the two time periods anyway... Really interesting debate - unfortunately, Steve Valley (whose book I&#039;ve meant to read for some time) sort of descended into stridency, which overwhelmed some of his good points. I will say that the soldiers I met at small JSS&#039;s would not have respected me if I&#039;d given up anything controversial. I think they liked I was there to do my job, and they would do theirs, and we&#039;d all get along just fine. One of my photos ended up getting a soldier in a bit of trouble - but when I re-embedded with his company again some time later (when the soldier had left the unit), not only was nobody angry at me, but they blamed him for being stupid about what the picture showed. So they had a face-to-face opportunity to complain to me, and actually took my side. If I&#039;d said what Harrigan did, I can&#039;t visualize any of the soldiers looking at me with much more than disdain - they just wanted the truth to be told, not for me to try and fit in as one of them. Steve Harrigan had an opinion about an event he didn&#039;t participate in, right?  I can&#039;t say I really respect anyone who tries to curry favor by saying what he WOULD have done. I only concern myself with what I&#039;ve DONE. So who knows what Harrigan&#039;s actual decision would have been, had he actually been confronted with it. Of course, the Marines did the right thing, as the insurgent seemed to be going for a weapon. I think that goes without saying. But I&#039;m still keeping my video. And, Jamie, I&#039;m not sure I agree with the &quot;picking fights wins you respect&quot; argument. I mean, yeah, you&#039;re showing your hard-nosed, but if you&#039;re just a bully (which I know is not really what you&#039;re saying), that&#039;s not gaining any sort of long term benefit. I was just a freelancer with nobody backing me up, but a few times when a CSM or 1SG tried to bully me, I could usually get my way just by crossing my arms, sort of half-smile and say, &quot;I was in the Army in 1991. This isn&#039;t 1991.&quot; They&#039;d bluster a little bit, but it always turned out okay. But...I was in a much different setting than Valley worked in, and those major outlet reporters were putting much different demands on him. So I guess I&#039;m not sure how relevant my experience truly is, as far as a comparison. And, if the Fox guys were always friendly to me, back when I was in a PAO situation, I&#039;m sure I would have made them my go-to guys as well. So is that really anything other than an honest statement? I don&#039;t think so... Good debate, though. Steve should relax! He&#039;s getting his word out, and that&#039;s what&#039;s important! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an Army journalist/PAO type during Desert Storm, and a freelance embedded reporter three times from 2007–2009, so if anybody should/would be “biased toward the troops” it would be me. But I wasn’t, mainly because the soldiers didn’t care what I did 20 years ago, and I was smart enough to not try and compare the two time periods anyway…</p><p>Really interesting debate — unfortunately, Steve Valley (whose book I’ve meant to read for some time) sort of descended into stridency, which overwhelmed some of his good points.</p><p>I will say that the soldiers I met at small JSS’s would not have respected me if I’d given up anything controversial. I think they liked I was there to do my job, and they would do theirs, and we’d all get along just fine. One of my photos ended up getting a soldier in a bit of trouble — but when I re-embedded with his company again some time later (when the soldier had left the unit), not only was nobody angry at me, but they blamed him for being stupid about what the picture showed. So they had a face-to-face opportunity to complain to me, and actually took my side. If I’d said what Harrigan did, I can’t visualize any of the soldiers looking at me with much more than disdain — they just wanted the truth to be told, not for me to try and fit in as one of them.</p><p>Steve Harrigan had an opinion about an event he didn’t participate in, right?  I can’t say I really respect anyone who tries to curry favor by saying what he WOULD have done. I only concern myself with what I’ve DONE. So who knows what Harrigan’s actual decision would have been, had he actually been confronted with it. Of course, the Marines did the right thing, as the insurgent seemed to be going for a weapon. I think that goes without saying. But I’m still keeping my video.</p><p>And, Jamie, I’m not sure I agree with the “picking fights wins you respect” argument. I mean, yeah, you’re showing your hard-nosed, but if you’re just a bully (which I know is not really what you’re saying), that’s not gaining any sort of long term benefit. I was just a freelancer with nobody backing me up, but a few times when a CSM or 1SG tried to bully me, I could usually get my way just by crossing my arms, sort of half-smile and say, “I was in the Army in 1991. This isn’t 1991.” They’d bluster a little bit, but it always turned out okay.</p><p>But…I was in a much different setting than Valley worked in, and those major outlet reporters were putting much different demands on him. So I guess I’m not sure how relevant my experience truly is, as far as a comparison.</p><p>And, if the Fox guys were always friendly to me, back when I was in a PAO situation, I’m sure I would have made them my go-to guys as well. So is that really anything other than an honest statement? I don’t think so…</p><p>Good debate, though. Steve should relax! He’s getting his word out, and that’s what’s important!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CharlesHouston</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2085</link> <dc:creator>CharlesHouston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2085</guid> <description>Caveat: I have no background in public affairs. But a 28 year career in the AF lets me understand that a US military member shooting a wounded person is a war crime. No doubt that the shootee &quot;deserved it&quot; but that is not the rules we are sworn to uphold. Another point - no person can be available all the time, everywhere. Someone could be regarded as a good reporter but they gotta sleep! In a zone as large as even Baghdad - there is plenty to see and plenty to do. So if one person gets the story time after time - does someone delay calling the press until a certain person is available? And we cannot talk to an individual (military, reporter, whatever) and get The Story. The situation is too big, too fluid, too complex. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caveat: I have no background in public affairs. But a 28 year career in the AF lets me understand that a US military member shooting a wounded person is a war crime. No doubt that the shootee “deserved it” but that is not the rules we are sworn to uphold.</p><p>Another point — no person can be available all the time, everywhere. Someone could be regarded as a good reporter but they gotta sleep! In a zone as large as even Baghdad — there is plenty to see and plenty to do. So if one person gets the story time after time — does someone delay calling the press until a certain person is available?</p><p>And we cannot talk to an individual (military, reporter, whatever) and get The Story. The situation is too big, too fluid, too complex.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: PowerProcessor</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2076</link> <dc:creator>PowerProcessor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:25:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2076</guid> <description>Jamie, you&#039;re spot on with the perception argument. However, Steve has it on Fox News&#039; general availability and scope of their reporting.  I&#039;m not in the media, mercifully ;-), but when the war was hot and heavy it seemed like Fox News did a better job of presenting the story.  Ms Amanpour is terrific on camera, love her voice and delivery, but her bias was blatant.  I&#039;ve been to Iraq a few times.  I no longer trust any of the media&#039;s coverage of events there (not even FNC) because it&#039;s impossible to cover the story. It&#039;s too vast, too complicated.  Nothing on the PRTs in Afghanistan (the veritable pointy-tip of the spear for COIN) since a story by Geraldo Rivera 2 years ago.  I say nothing, there probably have been stories, but their story isn&#039;t getting out there for the people to see. This is all &quot;inside baseball&quot; for most us to read about.  I&#039;d just like to see stories done in context of strategy and how operations are stacking up to achieve goals.  And yes, we have them. Gen McChrystal is pretty damn specific about COIN. Regardless, I really appreciate you for showing both sides.  You are an honorable gentleman.  I follow you because of Jim Long and your willingness to work with him in the past (he is a hidden gem in the media). </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, you’re spot on with the perception argument. However, Steve has it on Fox News’ general availability and scope of their reporting.  I’m not in the media, mercifully ;-), but when the war was hot and heavy it seemed like Fox News did a better job of presenting the story.  Ms Amanpour is terrific on camera, love her voice and delivery, but her bias was blatant.  I’ve been to Iraq a few times.  I no longer trust any of the media’s coverage of events there (not even FNC) because it’s impossible to cover the story. It’s too vast, too complicated.  Nothing on the PRTs in Afghanistan (the veritable pointy-tip of the spear for COIN) since a story by Geraldo Rivera 2 years ago.  I say nothing, there probably have been stories, but their story isn’t getting out there for the people to see.</p><p>This is all “inside baseball” for most us to read about.  I’d just like to see stories done in context of strategy and how operations are stacking up to achieve goals.  And yes, we have them. Gen McChrystal is pretty damn specific about COIN.</p><p>Regardless, I really appreciate you for showing both sides.  You are an honorable gentleman.  I follow you because of Jim Long and your willingness to work with him in the past (he is a hidden gem in the media).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2071</link> <dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:43:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2071</guid> <description>Sorry to diverge from the main thread but c&#039;mon Bob, if you are going to single out individual reporters for praise, at least spell their names right... Haven&#039;t read the book so I won&#039;t comment on it yet. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to diverge from the main thread but c’mon Bob, if you are going to single out individual reporters for praise, at least spell their names right…</p><p>Haven’t read the book so I won’t comment on it yet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: @GRRtweets</title><link>http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/03/12/fortress-mentality/#comment-2065</link> <dc:creator>@GRRtweets</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:56:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.lineofdeparture.com/?p=1279#comment-2065</guid> <description>What tiresome vitriolic. Think you won this one Jamie. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What tiresome vitriolic. Think you won this one Jamie.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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