D-Day for Mr. Obama

D-Day for Mr. Obama

Mr. President, would you send your son? Or daughter?

There are many defining moments in a presidency, but I would argue there few decisions that President Obama will make that will rival this one in terms of its impact on America and the judgment of history.

The president has received a lot of flak for taking three months to review his options and decide whether, and to what extent, to follow the advice of his military commanders, and civilian advisors.

The myth here is that there is a clear right answer, and that if the correct strategy is followed courageously and resolutely it will produce what we would all see as a success.  If history has taught us anything, (especially in the case of Afghanistan) is that all military options are fraught with peril, and sometimes following the best advice of your military commanders can lead to foreign policy disasters.

The reason we have civilian control of the military, is not because the civilians are smarter or wiser, it’s so that when things go wrong, as they often do, we have accountability.

I am convinced President Obama wants to protect America from terrorist and radical extremists who mean to do our country grievous harm as much as any patriot.   I believe he wants to do the right thing.  Often KNOWING the right thing to do is easy, but DOING it is hard.  This is a case when KNOWING what the right thing to do is the hard part.

So there is that one question that has to weigh heavy on his mind as he charts a course that will no doubt lead to more American casualties, at least in the short term:  “Would I send my son or daughter into this battle?  Is it worth their lives?”

To some that might seem like a call for caution, even cowardice.  But it is the litmus test every American should take.  If you are willing to commit the lives of others to this cause, would you risk your own?  Or your loved ones?

The question in Afghanistan is whether redoubling our efforts will produce a result that makes the United States and its allies, or for that matter the world, safer?   Or will we be facing the same situation a year from now, or five years from now?   And to accomplish that gold does the U.S. need to build a new Afghanistan from the ground up?  Or is there a better way to keep the terrorist at bay?

The answers to these question are not knowable.  But yet our commander-in-chief must make his best guess.   And no matter the certitude of his many advisors, there is no assurance he is embarking on the best course.

So would you send your son?   If the answer is no, then we have some serious soul-searching to do.

President Obama at Dover AFB, October 29, 2009  USAF Photo by Jason Minto

President Obama at Dover AFB, October 29, 2009 USAF Photo by Jason Minto

What are others saying?   Here’s a sample of opinion gleaned from my morning emails:

“It is inexcusable that the President has taken this long to make a decision. Given that he has been in office over 10 months; the many months Gen. McChrystal has been in theatre; and the critical situation on the ground, the delay has put the mission in graver jeopardy and left American lives unnecessarily at risk.“
James Jay Carafano, PhD, Heritage Foundation

“Obama may or may not realize that Petraeus and McChrystal cannot fix Afghanistan…  What (they) can do is further entangle the United States, its resources and its forces in an unending war inside the ungovernable wasteland…”
Col. Douglas Macgregor, U. S. Army (Ret.), Gulf War combat commander – author of Warriors Rage

“The President needs to clarify that sending additional troops now to Afghanistan is not a repeat of the Johnson Administration’s decision to send more and more troops to Vietnam to win the war ourselves then give the country back to the South Vietnamese.”
Rufus Philips, longtime CIA officer who led counterinsurgency operations in Vietnam – author of Why Vietnam Matters

“In his first real Commander-in-Chief moment, the president will need to show supporters and critics alike (both Americans and allied nations) that his new goals are worthy, that they are attainable through execution of his strategy, with the resources he has allocated and in the timeline he projects.”
Maj. Gen. Tom Wilkerson, USMC (Ret.), CEO of the U. S. Naval Institute

“Do you really want to be the new “war president”? If you go to West Point … and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do — destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech … you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they’ve always heard is true — that all politicians are alike. I simply can’t believe you’re about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn’t so.“
Michael Moore: An Open Letter to President Obama on Afghanistan

“President Obama’s much-anticipated speech at West Point Tuesday night [tonight] constitutes an opportunity with the potential to be as strategically momentous as Richard Nixon’s visit to China in 1972. Mr. Obama is in a unique position to tell the truth about the nature of the enemy we confront, not just in Afghanistan but worldwide, and thereby put the effort to defeat that enemy on a sound, coherent and supportable footing. Will he rise to the occasion?
Frank Gaffney, Jr., President of the Center for Security Policy

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Historians… and our Grandchildren… will remember Obama’s 30,000-strong escalation to be the defining moment in the disastrous slaughter that will make Vietnam pale by comparison. If history has taught us anything, it is that Afghanistan is where Tribal loyalty trumps any illusory National unity; where corruption and bribery is a national pastime; where Foreign Occupiers die in great numbers, many suffering a savagery that will haunt us. Worst of all, Obama is on the verge of launching the greatest recruiting drive… for Al Qaeda and the Taliban. And for our arrogance and ignorance, they WILL bring the fight to our shores.

In hindsight, two great Americans will be remembered for their political and patriotic courage, two men “over there” who tried to stop the madness–

#1– US Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry suddenly and openly spoke out to oppose Obama’s increase. Ambassador Eikenberry, a retired Lt. General who commanded US forces in Afghanistan from 2006–2007, cites rampant corruption as the main reason for his decision.

#2– Matthew Hoh, a political officer in the foreign service in Zabul, Afghanistan, resigned his position in a last-ditch warning. The former Marine says “It will take decades and billions of dollars to achieve success in Afghanistan. Our strategies in Afghanistan are not pursing goals that are worthy of sacrificing our young men and women or spending the billions we’re doing there.”

God help us for what we are about to do, the young Patriots we are sending to die because we did not heed the warnings of history.

Kyle York
Saratoga Springs

Kyle, I really do not see how it is possible for the slaughter in Afghanistan to make Vietnam pale by comparison.
I really do not have any sympathy for any US military personnel who get wounded or killed in Afghanistan though.

I could change my mind if any of them met a certain condition however. If there were even one soldier in the US military who said, “I refuse to deploy to Iraq because it is a blatant war of aggression but to show that my refusal is professional and not personal I will do two tours of Afghanistan, because the legality of our involvement in Afghanistan is at least in a gray area. ” For such a person I could have some sympathy. But I do not believe there is even one person in the US military who has ever done that. Since most of the military personnel in Afghanistan have served in Iraq if something bad happens to them they are getting what they deserve only in a different place and time.

Furthermore even though the legality of the Afghan conflict may fall in to a gray area it is clear to me that our involvement there in no way shape or form protects the American people from any credible threat. 911–911
911 yak yak yak. BS. The jihadist training camps in Afghanistan had nothing to do with 911.

Now if there are any military personnel in Afghanistan who claim that they are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people I would first of all like them to prove that they are there for that reason and not just because they are following orders. If they followed orders to go to Iraq they have an up hill battle. If they have not yet been to Iraq then I wonder what knowledge do they have of Afghan culture and religion? Do they have Special Forces training? I wonder if they want to help do they have the knowledge to actually help?
Do they belong to an institution that actually is interested in helping or is interested in simply having an excuse to build a military infrastructure in the area?

Furthermore, I do not really see what the big deal is about claiming some deserves respect because they think that they are sacrificing for their county as if that is some kind of gold or god standard.
The red coats, the confederates, Custer’s 7th cavalry, the Nazis, and the KKK all thought that they were sacrificing for their country. Big fragging deal if US soldiers want to let war criminals do their thinking for them.
For that they deserve no respect. They should sacrifice all pay and allowances and march their superiors in to prison and then handcuff themselves and close the cell doors behind them. I have the key. I picked it up at the Dutch National Defense University in Breda this past weekend. I will let them out once they have been reeducated and paid their debt to society.

Re: Michael Moore… I voted for Obama… I remember him making promises about Afghanistan… NEVER did he promise he’d instantly REDUCE the number of troops there. What he DID promise was to make the necessary war in Afghanistan his top priority… NOT the needless war in Iraq. He’s done that. Tonight’s speech is part of that committment.

You can argue that Obama’s strategy is wrong, but don’t say he’s going back on any campaign promise. Those who paid attention during the campaign know this… blowhards who just like to criticize ANYone whose job requires difficult decision forget the truth.

Gotti got off, maybe he needs to go into politics…that’s gotten quite popular lately ;)

Pop quiz: Who said the quote: “When the government fears the people, there is freedom. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Heard I was a witch.….Salem witchcraft trials are fun.….know thy self.…

And definition of conspiracy is what?

Jeremiah 11:9

KJV

And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Do you realize Jesus was accused of sedition and trying to overthrow the government? According to the Bible, which is funny, you’d think he was a bit Thomas Jefferson/Benjamin Franklin of his time…

1 Kings 21:10 And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.

And if you do realize that there’s been a sacred cow worshipping activities, and that itself is a conspiracy since others are oppressed by such vengeful actions toward the innocents.…do not put your faith in princes, why do women and children rule over you.….…ah, quoting the Bible for political gain.…

Target is right.….since they are targeting the INNOCENT and letting the guilty go free.…

Don’t worry, they assume Gotti deserves to be forgiven 77 times by their own belief system…4 times a charm.…;P

Hung jury anyone ????

Lawyers, the thing about lawyers is that’s there’s a lot of them, and yes, you can win any case if you really wanted to ;)

Declaring WAR and oppression toward children because they worship a person instead of GOD.…

Luke 23:39 And one of the malefactors who were hanged railed at him, saying, If you are Christ, save yourself and us.

If anyone actually does their research and reads the many case studies available on the current situation in Afghanistan, they would realize that the situation is immenently winable and we must do the right thing. Look at the Afghanistan case study in “The Accidental Guerilla: Fighting Small Wars in the Midst of a Big One” by David Kilcullen. Also, there is a great account of the effectiveness of our knowledge of counter insurgency tactics and their effectiveness in one of the historically unconquerable parts of Afghanistan, Kunar Province, detailed in the book “Victory Point: Operations Red Wings and Whalers — the Marine Corps’ Battle for Freedom in Afghanistan.”

Counter insurgency is something that so few people know about or even understand–especially journalists, writers and military commentators. Many Generals and officers brought up in a military focused on the old Soviet menace can only think in terms of WWII tactics–therefore their naysaying about success is hollow and a lie. We have the knowledge and have the evidence of success that the main stream media doesn’t want anyone to know. This must be done or Afghanistan will fall back into chaos and the terrorist training camps will be set back up to ravange the world. Of course when we succeed, the training camps just move–to other lawless areas of the world like the Sudan and the horn of Africa.

Well, you always ask Judas for military assistance. Heard he’s up for PROMOTION.….in the republican party.

LOL Heard Gotti is running for BOARD of Mental Health.…it won’t be an ironic position,he’s probably more sane than others put on trial, or soon to be ;)

Accused of nepotism.….current people now being accused of nepotism: Bush, Cheney, FBI Director, Former CIA Director, President Obama.….and who is the accuser? I do wonder.….why I do wonder who they can be, and who they’re backing, eh?

Unfortunately ‚there’s something called the constitution, and no as I say, not as I do, well, like I said, there’s lawyers for everyone.…m’kay?

Well, those poor, poor Airmen and VFW members are really bad, bad people, eh? Remember not to stick your foot in your mouth…

So today’s smear is that Vets, VFW members, and their families have now joined forces with Al Qaeda , and being said to protect .…ummm…how about the Girl Scouts, them, also?

Maybe a smear against the American Legion next?

By the way, nepotism, also, means social status.…as some members are being accused of, and apparently, there really is someone riding the beast, because they made it that way. ;)

For the love of the Vietcong and it’s leader.…..who are apparently acting by themselves for their leaders benefit…

It’s not a wonder how Kim Jung Il stays in power.…his goons act on his behalf or he would’ve been ousted by now. Ah well. I now expect him to stay in power. I expect a lot of DEMOCRACY to happen, bjust because of the actions of a few individuals, their henchmen, and activities and propaganda beyond anyone’s control, thanks to our conspiracy theorists, and their followers. Did you know Ngo Diem was CATHOLIC? He was assassinated before the Vietcong took over.

Mr. York
I applaude your passion but not yout knowledge of History. To suggest that by sending in 30,000 more troops we are creating a “disasterous slaughter that will make Vietnam pale by comparison” is just rediculas. We lost over 50,000 dead in Vietnam. I believe there are less than than a 1,000 lost in Afganistan. It may seem outrageous to compare deaths but that is how we define war these days.…in the cost of life. Afganistan is not Vietnam. it is not a civil war, it is a take over by an idiolgy that wants us dead.…They don’t want us to leave them alone, then want us dead. Period. They want American gone in the same way they want Isrial gone. Yes, no one has historiceally/succesfueally waged war in Afganistan but those were invasions designed to take over the country. Invasions without the support of the government. In this case many of the people support us as does the government of Afganistan. We may win, we may lose.…but failing to try would be a crime in it self.

Curt
You need to haver your head examined. Your knowledge of the facts is zilch. There is no “Gray area” about the legality of the war in Afganistan. The UN voted on it, NATO voted on it, the US Congress voted on it and all agreed that it was from Afganistan that the Al Quida sent the 911 attacks on the US. You don’t know what your talking about. and your post suggests that your very mush anti-American. OK-Thats your right.….but don’t try to sell that Bull in my neighborhood.

Committees, Vietnam, and communism…I do know that it doesn’t matter what PARTY that the communists go by. Some of us did study communism in better detail than some that claim to know it…and some claim to know everybody’s belief system in detail when they don’t know the person from Adam. Communists did hold different parties for different beliefs. Social Democrats, Communist, etc.

Imagine the outcome of freedom being tyranny, because of a fallacious belief system that their “Dear Leader” told them was a better system?

George Bush’s famous quote I do like “They hate us for our freedoms.” And if by their “Dear Leader’s freedom” gave others tyranny, wouldn’t that be ironic, to say the least? Reminds me of George Orwell’s “Animal Farm” when he looked from pig to man and couldn’t tell the difference. apparently, some people can’t really tell the difference.

There was a movie out a while back, based on Robert McNamara called the “Fog of War”.…he did have great insight into the Vietnam War. Apathy, not knowing the enemy, etc. Probably one of the most insightful military analysts I can name.

Ah, I love Levithian, he’s running around covering his bases after he really screwed up the entire war, and is busy blaming Donald Rumsfeld for being a bioterrorist and Gates for being unqualified. Though, he does like his feminazis, for being a republican ;) His slander is getting a bit funnier as time goes by…

And yes, I still agree GOTTI should probably serve on the BOARD of Mental Health compared to Levithian and his writers.

Is John Ashcroft still a bad guy, I’m wondering there, Levithian? You do happen to be my favorite propaganda artist. 7474, dove onto wild beasts.…

And the Russian guy in England was never poisoned there, Levithian?

Anyone who says that President Obama took too long to make this decision is an idiot!! How long is too long to decide to put more lives on the line?? I think he took the time he needed to make one of the hardest decisions any person could make…regardless of what or who they are!! If Bush would have sent the majority of our troops there in the first place, then Obama wouldn’t be cleaning up the mess that was left for him. I never could understand why we sent almost 4 times the amount of soldiers to Iraq as we did to Afghanistan. I hate that we have to send anyone anywhere, but to have to be the one who makes those decisions, would be overwhelming. He is doing the job that he was hired to do. Some will say that he took too long to make his decision, but if he had made it quicker, then there would be those who would say that he was being too hasty with our troops’ lives!! I hope for our sakes and his own, that he made the right choice, and all I can do know is continue to support the men and women that are called apon.

LOL Umm, yeah, and the conspiracy theorists have just gotten crazier LOL

Fine, John Ashcroft made the curtains blue because he thought it wouldn’t go with the guy trying to change dates and times ;) LOL 5 months is now equal to 5 years. 2+2=5. See? It really does fit!!!!!

I think all the drapes should be blue myself, so I do like the decorating style.

Alexander Litvinenko does not exist.…..that’s okay, coming from people that belief there are two moons, James Bond movies are fiction as well, though, in Mr. Roger’s land of make believe, James Bond movies are probably real.

And someone else is someone else because they’refacing their own identity crisis.

WTF?

Curt,
It’s apparent that you’ve never served in any branch of service and i’d guess your not a very productive part of society. And yet we, as a military and society, defend and protect you. I don’t believe i’ve read a more under educated or ill informed comment in a long time. Congradulations for that! If you had half a clue how the system works, or had a little respect for your country, your opinion would be different. You obviously are a product of our failing education system.
Hooah!!

Curt,

When did you get back from Canada? Did you finally decide that nobody cared about you and that there would be no jail time for draft dodgers?

Oh, and yes, most all soldiers and sailors “Do IT because of duty and for love of country.” Even the enemy troops do. But„„„„„, the big “BUT” is; Which side’s purposes are aligned with the purposes of God? The answer to that question is the determining factor as to which side will be victorious.

A word of comfort: there is no shame in being a peacenik; it’s only a fool’s way of life! When one finally realizes that being a hater, fighting against the inevitable, was only an exercise in futility, maybe there is hope for him. But for you to hurl curses at those who are only following orders is very dangerous (whether you believe and support their cause or not is immaterial). You might as well call down curses on yourself.

My head gets examined daily.
No where in UN resolutions 1378 or 1383 does it explicitly allow a coalition of the willing to invade Afghanistan. Furthermore the 911 attacks were clearly not launched from Afghanistan they were clearly launched from Boston and Washington DC. One can not even say that they were planned in Afghanistan or that the people sent to carry them out came from Afghanistan. One could make a reasonable guess that they were financed by Osama bin Laden. I remember a lot being written after the attacks about financing but considering that the sources of this information are not unbiased I do not consider them reliable. I do remember that when one of the supposed financial people involved went on trial here in Germany the prosecuters could not even get a conviction against him.
Considering the behavior of the US government over the last 50 years a person would have to be quite irresponsible not to be anti– American government and anti American people to the extent the people support the government.

Mike Tucci, how do you define winning? I define winning in Afghanistan by the following criteria.
1.There are enough schools and qualified teachers to educate All of Afghanistan’s children.
2.It is safe for the children, including the females to go to school.
(Separate classes for boys and girls is perfectly acceptable)
3.The children do not get taught a Wahhabi version of Islam which is a disgrace to that religion.
4. Afghanistan has no foreign military personnel stationed in its country.
Do you notice that list does not include any desire to limit the number of terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. **** we have white power terrorists training camps right here in the US that we do not close down. To say nothing about our prison systems which are nothing more than vast terrorist universities.
Far Far better for the US that an Islamic jihadist camp be set up in Afghanistan were its graduates will be far more likely to attack India or China or Russia than the US, than have the camps set up in the vast spaces of Canada or Mexico.
Far Far better that the US not give the terrorists an unnecessary motive to attack the US.

Now the next question is, is it the job of the US to achieve a victory, the way I define it, in Afghanistan?
MAYBE NOT, but I really do not think that it would really be all that hard if that was the goal. It would not take tens of thousands of soldiers. What it might take would be a few hundred, volunteer, not necessarily American, special forces who have degrees in Islamic Studies and Philosophy and Psychology, who would be willing to make a five year commitment to work with the more reasonable native Muslims to achieve a more enlightened Islamic culture. These forces would have to work with other regional governments such as the Iranians to ensure that the Iranians would not take these forces as a threat and try to sabotage them. The job might not be done in 5 years. Then new qualified volunteers would be needed.
The possibility exists that such outsiders would never be accepted by much of the population, and who ever worked with then would be seen as a stooge of foreign powers. Then there would be absolutely nothing that we (the west) could do to achieve victory as I define it.

Unfortunately, reality on the ground does not mesh with an Air war being waged as well. Vietnam, umm, they’re guessing their propaganda is cooler than the Vietcong shooting at MILITARY members.

Yes Lee, being a well cared for Poodle is a boring and unproductive job. The only fun I ever have is when my owner lets me loose to run around on rare occasions. The only thing that I produce are little grants which sometimes cause little stinks.

Alexander Litvinenko does not exist.…..that’s okay, coming from people that belief there are two moons, James Bond movies are fiction as well, though, in Mr. Roger’s land of make believe, James Bond movies are probably real.

Bond, deserted in his own land, oops, that was someone else in REALITY.

I forgot to mention, as far as the US Congress voting on something, it carries no weight what so ever. It is the best Congress that money can buy. Those people are nothing more than the finance committee for the world’s largest continuing criminal enterprise. The US military no more protects me than polar bears in the Republic of Congo.

Hahahahaha pulled a fast one there one you, didn’t I? I have never said anything about Gertraud von Bullion (11 Sept. 1891– 11 June 1930) before had I? Well I bet that nothing will come of it anyways.

Funny, you guys were singing a different tune back in Sep of ’01 when Pres Bush ‘just sat there for 45 mins’. How long is too long to decide to put more lives on the line? Long enough to risk more by waiting, that’s how long. Obama has shown time and again that any decision important enough to make headlines means he’ll wait till the polls come in so he can be assured of another term.

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