Death Penalty for a Terrorist

Death Penalty for a Terrorist

The man who terrorized the Washington area seven years ago with the indiscriminate murder of innocent people at random was put to death last night in Virginia.

I am not a big fan of the death penalty, but this case fits my personal criteria. Because of the propensity of people to make mistakes, and the irreversible nature of the punishment, my personal belief is there should be a higher standard for imposing death than simply guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt.” I would advocate a standard of “guilt beyond any doubt.” Anything short of that should result in life without parole. That’s my opinion.

For example, after listening to the evidence in the celebrated O.J. Simpson trial, I was convinced he was guilty beyond “a reasonable doubt.” But was there a slim possibility his defense was true? Did the glove really not fit? Or was that courtroom theatrics? Did police plant evidence to try to ensure a conviction? Maybe. So I would NOT consider that case a candidate for the death penalty. (He was found not guilty in the criminal trial of course, but that’s irrelevant for the purposes of this argument.)


I am aware that some people think life without parole is actually harsher punishment than death. They see death as an easy out for someone who has committed a heinous act, and to some extent I agree.

But I also feel there are some crimes so despicable, so heartless, so inexcusable that the perpetrator simply does not deserve to live. They should die for that simple fact, even if it costs society more to kill them (with death row appeals and all) than to keep them alive. I put the DC sniper in that category.

And make no mistake; the sniper was a terrorist, plain and simple. His campaign was designed to strike fear in everyone. And that’s what terrorists do, they seek to accomplish their goals through creating paralyzing fear.

In October of 2002, I was in the Persian Gulf region reporting on preparations for the coming invasion of Iraq. My wife was home, worried about my safety, and about possible terrorist attacks from extremists in the region. When I learned of the sniper, I was more worried about her and my family, and the threat they faced from a homegrown terrorist.

One day, after I returned, I was inspecting a dying tree in my backyard, when a white panel truck pulled up next to my fence, and stopped for no obvious reason. It began to slowly back up, just as it might do if someone inside wanted to get a better shot at me. (At the time everyone was on the lookout for white vans because an eyewitness thought he saw one leaving the scene of one of the shootings.) I knew I might be overreacting, but I also knew sometimes overreacting is the right response. So I darted across my backyard in a zigzag pattern, keeping my head down, so as to present the most difficult target possible.

Once through my backdoor I yelled at my wife to call 911, and we began to follow the truck’s movements from our house. It continued to slowly backup, and make the turn it has obviously missed onto a nearby street. In a minute or so we saw a sofa being unloaded and delivered to a neighbor’s house. We told the police, “Nevermind.”

Such was the fear that gripped the area in the fall of 2002.

Now we have another ‘homegrown” terrorist to deal with, whose crime also took the lives of innocents in a random act of horrific violence. Should he be found guilty beyond any doubt, he, too, should be put to death. Not because it the most just punishment, and not because it will deter others, just because someone like that doesn’t deserves to breathe the same air as the rest of us.


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I can’t vote in the poll. I am one of those who believes the death penalty is wrong in all cases. the sniper case makes me back up and say — in ALMOST all cases — and for ONE reason only. Muhammad’s wife, Mildred, no longer has to fear he will one day escape and come for her. She says that was the motive for the cross-country shooting spree.

Death is final but torture is worse.
Who deserves the death penalty more, a serial killer or a war profiteer? Who is more likely to be arrested?
Who thinks like a red?
Who deserves the death penalty more a serial killer or one who gives the order to wage a war of aggression?
Who is more likely to be arrested?
Who thinks like a Maroon?
Who deserves the death penalty more, a serial killer or one who implements the order to wage a war of aggression?
Who thinks like a violet?
Not me, not me, not me.
Of course I would not shed any tears over the death of a serial killer by lethal injection, or firing squad. After all he is lucky, he could have been killed sooner if his cell had collapsed in an earthquake and crushed him to death before he got the chance to be executed.
Anyways serial killers kill what, a few dozen people in a most horrible manner. How many people does one 500lb bomb dropped in a village kill?
Furthermore our media manipulators have a habit of calling anyone who uses force against the US as terrorists even if they kill only military personnel because US force is always legitimate and forceful opposition to such force is always terrorism, even if no civilians are killed. Soon Reichfüher Lieberman will be demanding that if any Iraqi or Afghan resistance should break through a US perimeter they will be required to hold off their attack until all US forces are woken up and have a chance to arm themselves.
No I will not apologize for using the word Reichfüher. After all I am heavily out numbered and should be allowed a little literary latitude. Notice I did say should and not must. Don’t think for a second that I do not have you site administrators figured out. You are just giving me some leeway because you know that the apples who read these comments are so politically indoctrinated that I do not a prayer in hell of successfully getting them to defect to my side. But allowing me this forum you get to claim that you are so liberal. I play along in hopes that I can get offered a job with the Greens or the Reds here as a site administrator.

Curt, my child, don’t think that the site administrators are trying to demonstrate their liberality by allowing you to post. They are demonstrating a time-honored American tradition of allowing divergent points of view to be heard so they may compete in the “market-place of ideas”. Doing so as a society helps to keep us from walking off a cliff, hearing only one narrow strain of thought and following it to our peril. This is what the Founders had in mind when they wrote the First Amendment and the site admins are simply following that lead. As for Sen. Lieberman, I find it refreshing that a Democrat can actually demonstrate the potential of providing adult supervision for those in his party. (He’s still a Democrat; ignore the I next to his name.)

You naivete’ is at once refreshing and alarming …

Curt reads a bit like someone who smoked a bit too much hash before getting to his keyboard. War has, over time, developed “rules” for a reason — to distinguish actual combatants from civilians, among other things such as the fair treatment of POWs.

This man was not a soldier fighting for against similarly prepared men and women. He was, simply, a coward who hid in the back of a truck and got his kicks from gunning down innocent people for what appears to be sport. Good riddance.

I never compared the sniper with a soldier. How do you read that in to what I wrote. He is a serial killer.
Serial killers are horrible people. Those who deceive others in to waging a war of aggression are even worse.
Now think about this. It is based on true events that happened in Belgium not so long ago.
A man was arrested a number of years ago for killing young girls that he had kidnapped and taken to his home.
A small palace out in the country. How did he get the money for a small palace? He murdered a member of the Belgian Red Army Faction and stole the money that this organization had stashed away. Now I would have been much happier if the RAF had killed this man and used the money to fight for their cause even if more people had been killed in the end because not only who dies but how they die counts. The RAF would never launch an indescriminate attack on the general population but lets say they did. To me it is better that 100 people die in a train bombing than 10 little girls get kidnapped and tortured to death. I must admit it is just a matter of taste however. The motive of the killers in both examples is different as well. The serial killer is clearly acting to achieve self gratification. Those who would blow up a train, even if one considers them misguided or warped are clearly acting on a political motive to defend something that they believe is sacred.
You of course may not think that it is sacred but they do.
So I think that it is a very good question, who deserves to die more a serial killer who tortures and kills by the dozens, or people who engage in wars of aggression who kill people by the thousands or even millions.
Now when you say this man was not a soldier fighting against similarly prepared men and women are you talking about the DC sniper or are you really talking about Hassan? I may have never gone to the officer advanced course but I do seem to recall that in war one is not required to give an enemy a chance to arm themselves. I do seem to recall that putting on a enemy uniform was an act of treachery but Hassan made it very clear which side he was on. Besides even if what he did was treacherous it was on a small scale. What the US government has been doing is on a huge scale. But of course you would not agree with that would you.
Also if wars are to be fought be similarly equipped sides are you prepared to offer the Iraqi resistance your flack vest? Are you prepared to offer the Taliban F-15s and AWACS?
Americans understand this. When we fight it is always for a good and just cause because our government says that it is. Those who fight against us are always waging an unjust cause because our government says that it is. Never mind the past those were exceptions. Not enough to make a pattern. To long ago.
A different time then. It was a different administration.

“So I think that it is a very good question, who deserves to die more a serial killer who tortures and kills by the dozens, or people who engage in wars of aggression who kill people by the thousands or even millions.”

You’ve got all the makings of a Fox news reporter with your mastery over English grammar and your inability to make comparisons any rationale person with a secondary education would agree with.

Have you seriously even read what you’ve written? Picking apart your argument is a bit sad, like poking a retarded, diseased zoo animal. Clean up your grammar, your spelling and your sad grasp of actual facts, and then I’ll be pleased to hold a debate where I can perhaps take anything you say seriously.

I disagree with the labeling this man a terrorist. He certainly terrorized a city, a state and even the nation, but he is a serial mass murderer. I believe to label him a terrorist implies that he had some political motive for killing. Why is it that for the last few years, every malcontent, malicious, blood thirsty, miscreant is labeled a terrorist? By doing that we are diluting the meaning of the word and seriousness of the terrorist threat. In my humble opinion.

Curt and those that agree with you. It is sad that a person of your decrepit educative stature be defending those who are against our Great Nation. It doesn’t matter how long ago our forefathers signed the constitution. You and your family have been enjoying its fruit since birth. I always recommend those who side with our enemies to leave our Nation and go live in our enemies’ homeland. Once there to do as you are doing here. I am pretty sure you would not last long. Hassan, although everyone says different, has been against this Nation since he was born. Muslims hide behind every scenario to carry out their mission–to kill the infidels, name given to the Americans. Yes, he was born here, took advantage of all given opportunities to get to where he thought was good enough to carry out his final objective. I am pretty sure his defense will be another muslim and will claim insanity. Why? Because it is the plan he always had. He is instructed from childhood these believes and the most effective manner to carry these out. Sure, When have you heard a muslim talk bad about another muslim? Never. For your information, there are 24 muslim organizations in the USA that have as their objective Our Great Nation. Those organizations met in Chicago just prior to Obama (another muslim) winning the elections. One of their main objectives had been achieved, getting Obama into the White House. Now their next grand objective is to be achieved. By 2008 there were 100,000 muslims in the USA. Their objective–to have 50,000,000 muslims by 2038. Mister wake up and this is a wakeup call to the USA. I have always compared the people from those countries as camelions because they act the same way. In order to achieve whatever objective they propose, they will adjust accordingly. I Pray to God that what happened in Texas and before in Washington, never happen where you and yours are and that anything like that happen to your loved ones. If it happens you will change your mind and way of thinking. By the way I firmly believe that those who commit those crimes do not deserve to be kept breathing the same air I breathe. Particularly when I and all tax payers have to support and maintain them in jail, in good health and eating well, while waiting for a trial and all the appeals they go through. Knowing there are millions of children in our Nation that go to sleep every night without a good meal. I prefer tax dollars be feeding those children than those murderers and terrorists. Good luck with you English classes!

How can anyone say “I am against the death penalty” but in the case of the DC sniper it is OK. Talk about a person who does not know what they believe in. Most liberals do not know what they believe in and change their mind when it affects them personally. I laugh at a person who says the death penalty is wrong even if the killer murdered my child in front of me. To that I say BS. If your spouse, parents or child were murdered in front of you 99 percent plus of you would want the killer to pay the ultimate price. For Malvo and other killers, including OJ, Dahmer, Gacy etc. the death penalty is proper and should be mandatory. The standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt” has worked for centuries. Leave it alone.

Kurt Kastens: I agree with the other comments. Your use of “maroon” when I think you meant “moron” and Violet for “violent” are probably typing errors and we all do that. It is the rest of your comment that has people scratching their heads with ?????????? is he talking about and does he even know what he is saying? My question is do you really believe the death of our troops “only kill military personnel” (your quote) is OK. If that was your intention then I must remind you that if you are reading this blog in English you should thank our military. Without us ( I am an old Vet) you would be reading it in German, Japanese or Russian IF AT ALL.

To Ale,
I would just like to thank you for reading my violet rant. No thanks to the US military that we can read this in Englisch. They were not around when I was being edumacated in US schools. They were busy protecting me from Vietnamese pheasants who were just itching to invade the US and turn us in to Godless Communists.
We can thank the US military that I now speak German more or less, with a pronounced Arabic accent. I wonder how the US military performed such magic?

Who knew pheasants could be so vicious? Exactly why would you thank the military for knowing some German? Did they fund the Rosetta Stone course for you? If you have an authentic Arabic accent, that explains a lot. While not all Arabic people are so self-righteous and haughty, many like you are. Many believe they are so much smarter, so much wiser than Americans. I can’t figure out why you kill goats in your homes and let blood run all over the place on your dirt floors, then think having a dog in the house is nasty. Yes, been there. Not impressed. What does the sand do to some of you people? While I do not agree we should be in Iraq and think we should have handled Afghanistan differently, I think you take the lives of our military too lightly. They follow orders (most of them) and if you are an American citizen, some have died for YOU. You are a sick man, and I agree with another poster, that most of what you write makes no sense at all.

There haven’t been too many 500lb bombs dropped on villages, smoker, but if you must know.….a 500lb bomb would most likely kill all terrorists within 75-100m and wound most out to 150m which is why it is more common for 1000 and 2000lb bombs to be dropped that way not too many people get wounded.

Only those who are narrow minded would attempt to narrow the definition of a terrorist. You said “he certainly TERRORIZED a city”.…What is a city not big enough? Maybe a seaboard would have been better. Terrorism is not just political as your context suggests. It has been motivated, in the past, by greed, race, religion, and polilics as well. Re-read your post.…you kind of contradict yourself.

Wow. Seriously? 100 people? Really? 10 girls? What kind of time you must have on your hands to think this garbage up.

Sounds like Malvo forgot to add you to his list of targets.….they should have given him one more day to get to you.

I believe in the death penalty, but only if this condition exists…

If it should turn out that an innocent person was executed “by mistake”, then the prosecutor(s), judge, and jury will all be exectued also, for the murder an innocent person.

After all, that innocent person’s relatives deserve “closure” as well, don’t they?

That is the ONLY way to be sure the system will be truly fair.

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