Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Hold Your Breath

Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Hold Your Breath

UPDATE:

President Obama’s remarks from Human Rights Campaign Dinner, October 10, 2008

“We are moving ahead on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. (Applause.) We should not be punishing patriotic Americans who have stepped forward to serve this country. We should be celebrating their willingness to show such courage and selflessness on behalf of their fellow citizens, especially when we’re fighting two wars. (Applause.)
We cannot afford to cut from our ranks people with the critical skills we need to fight any more than we can afford — for our military’s integrity — to force those willing to do so into careers encumbered and compromised by having to live a lie. So I’m working with the Pentagon, its leadership, and the members of the House and Senate on ending this policy. Legislation has been introduced in the House to make this happen. I will end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. That’s my commitment to you.”


Blame Congress, not Obama, for foot-dragging on gay ban

President Barack Obama is getting a raft of grief for his failure to deliver on a number of his campaign promises, including in particular his pledge to end the ban on gays serving openly in the U.S. military.

The often amusing Jon Stewart mocked the Commander-in-Chief the other night for the quotidian excuse offered by both his defense secretary and national security advisor, namely that the President is awfully busy at the moment and “has too much on his plate.”  Stewart jokes it’s “chow time” and that maybe the President should get a bigger plate.

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Stewart, like many others, suggests lifting the ban is not heavy lifting, arguing that in the “cornucopia” of issues on that metaphorical platter, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” amounts to  “a little of rice pudding off to the side” and admonishes the President that he “could finish that before you get back to the table.”

But what all these critics always miss is that the President can’t change the law that forces gays in uniform to cover-up their sexuality. Only Congress can.

It’s the members of Congress, not the President, who are ignoring the growing sentiment in America to end discrimination against lesbians homosexuals in the U.S. military.

The current issue of Joint Force Quarterly being the latest evidence of the general acceptance of gays in the ranks.  In an essay published because it won an award, Col. Om Prakash, who now works in the office of Defense Secretary Gates, writes, “After a careful examination, there is no scientific evidence to support the claim that unit cohesion will be negatively affected if homosexuals serve openly… Based on this research, it is not time for the administration to reexamine the issue; rather it is time for the administration to examine how to implement the repeal of the ban.”

I guarantee you when the day comes that Congress sends the President a new law lifting the ban, the Mr. Obama will sign it with a flourish.

So what critics are complaining about really, is that the President is not spending more of his political capital lighting a fire under key members of congress to put that reform on the front burner.

Does anyone really wonder why that is?

Do they see how tough it has been to get Congress to act on health care reform?  Do you see the flak the President is taking from both sides of the aisle because he wants to really think about the wisdom of staying the course in Afghanistan before he agrees to big troop hikes?

Do you think if was just a simple matter of picking up the phone, and ordering up a new law, the president would hesitate to deliver on his belief that “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” doesn’t make sense?

Congress will have hearings on the issue next month, but don’t look for quick action.  Many members — lacking the courage of their convictions — are waiting for political cover in the form of a clearer signal from the Pentagon.

Don’t hold your breath.

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The American public overwhelmingly made it clear that they won’t accept a national gay agenda in schools and the workplace. The armed forces are a microcosm of the nation and even more determined not to accept an openly gay lifestyle within the ranks and for good reason. “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” That is as far as it goes and perhaps that was too far in itself. It’s time that this administration and the leftist fifth column in the Congress got their heads out of their @$$+$ and listened to the warriors who have had enough of them and their social engineering. Better yet, why don’t they just get their bags packed? 2010/12 is just around the corner and they’re out of a job after that.

“Normal” people??? We should “assume” YOU are normal?? Go to church, and stop being so angry. Gay people are God’s people, just like you or I.

Society WILL accept the openly gay lifestyle sometime soon, so all you people who are so phoebic.…standby

You need to do your homework.……last time I checked, there is a mandatory Aids testing policy in the military.…..duh.……You are obviously just homophobic!!! By the way, I am straight

Gunnery Sergeant, Retired

oh goody for you Becky, a straight, uninvolved civilian pussy — retired gunny my ars

Gee, Becky, would that mean gay military weddings in Marine dress blues at the base chapel? Hardly. Go try to share your “we’re all the same” beliefs with fellow Marines down range, with the fleet, and here at home. It won’t go over well with them or any of the other services either. Bill Clinton tried to pull that arrogant and pious stunt and it cost him an effective presidency. This president and his minions in the leftist Congress are barely hanging on by their fingernails right now. Their careers are toast because of a lot of other stupid stunts that angered a nation. “Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell” is as far as it goes, and even that was too far. See ya at the MCX Gunny.

It amazes me how people will cover their homophobia with claims of disease and religion. There is MANDATORY aids testing in the military. And as to the religious arguement, laast time I looked, the right wing religious people did not run the military, or did we repeal that amendment?
I am a straight veteran of the Marine Corps and all I care about is can the Marine next to me do the job. Who he sleeps with is not my business. And remember, those of you who are Vets have most likely served with homosexuals and probably we very pleaased with their performance.

Cpl. U.S.M.C

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There may be AIDS testing “the last time you checked”. However AIDS can and will be contracted long after an AIDS test is performed with people being sexually active as they are. Don’t be so naive or self righteous to think that it can’t or won’t happen. There is a very real risk to our soldiers in the possible scenario that the Gubbery Sergeant makes. To be fair because it was” the last time “someone was checked for AIDS doesn’t mean they haven’t contracted the disease since and could be a risk for others in a battlefield or emergency transfusion. Sorry but I’m not Homophobic and I do go to church and I know that all people are his creation. Consider all of the prople involved in this issue not just the Gay/Lesbians but the welfare of every indiviual. They have rights too. Chuck

Good links Captain. The problem is that advocates for the homosexual lifestyle won’t let research and facts get in the way of their agenda. Remember, they have Barney the Purple Dinosaur as their childhood teacher telling them that “we are all the same.” We all know that the fuzzy reptile wasn’t talking about race or gender either. The armed forces have had their problems in the past, but in spite of it all, the ranks within the military still hold the moral high ground in this debate, and advocates for an open homosexual lifestyle have targeted it. They know that this president and this congress are on the outs from other unpopular issues so they’re going to try to get what little mileage they can before the 2010/12 elections. The good thing about Kool-Aid is that its effects are only temporary.

Ah more ranting websites put out by the christian taliban.

I have no problems with gay people serving openly in the military. Gays have never hit on me, Gays have never posted huge religious symbols along the side of the road forcing me to look at them as I drive. Gay people perform less PDA than straight people. I am tired of the right wing. I am tired of the religious right shoving their religious beliefs down the throats of average Americans. These religious nut jobs should be living in some great religious state such as iran or af or saudi arabia or pakistan. For 8 years the anti american right wing have destroyed this nation. It is time they went back to their churches and STFU.

listen..I’m gay and I served over 10 years including a combat tour in the Army. I kept my sexual orientation under wraps because the motor pool or Bn. HQ was not the place to discuss what I did in the bedroom. I did my job to the best of my ability. I will be the first to say that if you did your job most didn’t care less. I was SFC Brown at work and my home life was just that. To the best of my knowledge no one knew about me until way after I got out. I’m all for gays serving. The ones going in right now KNOW the policy so keep your mouths shut and do your job. The Military isn’t going take it if you start flaunting your sexuality. But most gays I knew while in kept their orientation off base and did their jobs..usually with high marks.
Lets face the facts…gays have served their country and will continue to do so. My take is that if some gay in the military is flaunting their sexuality..then boot their a**** out ASAP but if they are abiding by the current policy set forth by the DoD then let them serve. I’m proud of my time in the Army and I kept thing very professional and 99% of the gays now serving have the same attitude

Barack Obama should let dont ask dont tell still remain becuase gays have no rights accept for that one

LOL…contrary to popular belief…gays do not lust after every guy they see. I would never even think about hitting on guys in my unit. Besides I’ve been with the same guy for 25 years and am quite happy. He is the one who went through hell when I deployed because we had to be careful. My brother became the conduit in case something would have happened. He supported me throughout my time in and even told me that if I wanted to go for 20 years he would be right there.
Some of the guys I served with know now about me and they really don’t give a F**k. My son (yes I’ve been on both sides of the fence) served also and he said he served alongside several gays and his unit could care less as long as they shoot straight. Lets face it..the younger generation doesn’t have a problem with gays serving.

I love the argument that gays are child molesters…all the research I’ve seen on it points out the most pedophiles identify with the heterosexuals so this notion that gays are out to brainwash your children or worse is absolutely bulls**t. In many way the religious right is on the same level as the Taliban and Al Queda. Put Jimmy Swaggart or Pat Robertson in the white house and you can quarantee we would bring back stoning. For those of you who are evangalical go to Leviticus where it says homosexuality is an abomination you can find in the same chapter that shellfish is an abomination as well. That hasn’t stopped any of you from going to Red Lobster after church on sunday. You can not pick and choose out of the Bible!

And I will pray for you!

Research not done by right wing christian orgs shows quite simply that most pedophiles are Heterosexual.

Gays serve openly in many militaries without issue. Are we really less able to control ourselves than those from the EU?

Of the hundreds of National Gaurd, Navy, Marines and active Army guys and gals I have worked with in the last few years, maybe 2 have ever expressed any real problem with gays serving openly. Most of the units I have worked with had ‘openly’ gay people in the unit and no one seemed to have a problem. It seems that only outsiders and Vets have the idea that the military can’t handle it, just like outsiders and vets didn’t think women should be allowed on combat ships or to fly planes or any of the other hundreds of jobs opened to them now and no one seems to have a problem with anymore.

I will happily go to war against the gay and lesbian agenda. I don’t want my children to have that garbage shoved down their throats, anymore. It’s hard enough to be a kid these days without having to worry about the confusion inherent to the homosexual argument. Homosexuals need to return to the shadows where they have been for thousands of years. They do not procreate, and their choice to be homosexual is exactly what that word implies, it is a sexual choice, not a lifestyle choice, not a love choice, not predetermined genetics, it is a disease of the brain, a malady, a falacy, and they are the worst of the mentally ill, as far as I’m concerned.

If the homosexual community continues to shove its agenda through to law and the media continues to openly support them, they are going to lose far more than they’re counting on. Back to the shadows with them.

Now, they are NOT God’s people, just like you or I, they are Satan’s children, though God still loves them and hopes they will come away from their abominable lifestyle and be saved.

I will also pray for you.

Pretty dumb, aren’t ya? What did the Master Sergeant say, above? And, guess what, the disease argument is extraordinarily relevant. There are more problems than just AIDS to worry about, y’know, though that’s obviously the primary.

This argument is not a matter of self-righteousness, religious right, or equality, it’s a matter of self-preservation, an argument to get physical over; dotting eyes, crossing teeth, etc. My children’s minds are in the balance, their choices are being overly influenced by external forces that are evil in their least and utmost. You people who support the homosexual community need to go live with them in the shadows, and leave the rest of us alone. The homosexual community has no fewer rights than anyone else, and they don’t have the right to ask for any more than anyone else, either.

I don’t care if two guys bone one another behind closed doors, that’s on them, they’ll have to answer to God individually for those sins. I don’t care if two girls are carpet munchin’ until the sun comes back up behind closed doors, with the same consequences. When the homosexual community begins to force its agenda on me, on my children, and pressure is placed on my loved ones because these idiots might actually win, it’s time for me to fight back. I don’t shove my sexual activities in their collective face, and their choice of thought processes and practice of sexuality is not procreative –meaning there’s no reason for them to have any additional benefits, as far as I’m concerned– and I don’t believe, with all my heart, that we should be supporting a mental malady with anything other than clinical treatment.

‘Nuff said.

Lets stop giving away all of the rights of the majority to those in the minority and stop worrying about political correctness BS!! and get back to God Bless America ways. As our country continues down these paths further away from God and his teachings the less blessed we will be and ultimately to our countries demise. As a straight person personally affected by gays in the military, I support the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and keep it locked in the closet. If you choose that un-Godly lifestyle, thats your choice and should not be forced on the rest of us. I’m so sick of the amount of TV show networks now thinking they have to include a gay element in many of their shows which turns otherwise good shows to trash and keeps me channel surfing for something I’m not forced to feel uncomfortable watching.

Pedophile is a cover word for same-sex child-molesting. Ask the Catholics if they are happy about 1,000,000 Catholic males being molested by male homosexual priests? Jeffery Dahmer, Ottis O’Toole(killed John Walsh), John Wayne Gacey(also a Democrat activist no less) were homosexual child-molesters, that are now residing in H*ll. Plus there are huge medial, cost, and morale downsides that can not be overlooked.

If those web sites don’t come up, search by title. Prepare to be shocked by these perverts nasty behavior.

I think I’m qualified..I served in the Army and I’m fine with the current policy. I’ve NEVER shoved my personal life down anyones throat and I believe that if you are gay and join the military YOU ABIDE by the policy

But you will find a he77 alot more straight child molesters rotting in prison. Pedophile is not another word for homosexuals. Many gays haven’t asked for a damm thing. I’ve never flaunt it and if you met me on the street you would have NO CLUE. You guys want to stereotype so bad.…well I hate to burst your bubble but most of us are not big flamers wearing womens clothes and singing show tunes.
Everything I got in the Army I earned. I went in did my job, went willing when I was called up (Canada was NOT an option)
The Nations opinion about gays is changing. I never thought I’d see some states legalize marriage. Most of my sons generation couldn’t care less and he served in Iraq along side several gay men. In his eyes all that matter is if they could cover him and shoot straight.
You can condemn me to hell but you better think twice sitting at Red Lobster because shellfish is an Abomination unto God. You can not pick and choose what you want to believe in the Bible because ALL of it is God’s Word and God NEVER changes
You are also quick to sit on the Throne and judge others…the Bible also says IF you judge those sins are added unto you.

Becky is a pervert ! How else could you think homosexuality is normal. Were not asking for them to be beaten in the streets but how dare you tell us that we should have to be influenced by there deviant behavior. I dont want school kids to be indoctrinated by them an the Aclu. Get sicko! If your ilk continue down this road there very well could be a violent backlash.

Becky is a pervert!

Hey asswipe! Most of us dont care that your gay. I just dont want your views shoved down my throat. Your deviant behavior should not be forced mainstream.

Hey *******! Most of us dont care that your gay. I just dont want your views shoved down my throat. Your deviant behavior should not be forced mainstream.

Why didnt you list some of the straight serial killers? The Green River killer or the Son of Sam. Oh wait, I know why. Like most radical right wing idiots, you pretend that history you dont like did not happen.
Cpl. U.S.M.C.

Does that go for your views??

I dont mind having gays/lesbians in school, or workplace. But in the military, it is different, the soldiers practically live together. I wouldn’t want to go to the shower room, and worrying about some gay guys looking at my ass with some funny thoughts…

So Mr President, there are many things else you can do, leave this DADT order alone…

if people wanna be gay whatever…but dont be flamboyant!!! dont be all weirdo…its gonna cause only trouble… they are gonna get beat up…believe me. DADT should definitly have to stay…or the enemy will mock of our forces

well that wouldn’t happen cause I don’t force my views on anyone. I hate to break it to you but its already in the mainstream so if it makes you feel better to call me names go ahead. Anyone who spent more than 4 years in the military more than likely served with a gay person and you didn’t even know it. Those of us who wanted to serve our country did our jobs and kept who we were screwing offbase where it belonged. Most even today feel the same way I do..yeah there are a few that use DOn’t ask Don’t tell to get out of doing a second or third tour in the Sandbox and I have no respect for anyone who uses it to get out of serving. If you signed up then By God do your duty

I hate to break it to you but gays who serve don’t sit and lust after our fellow soldiers. I agree that the policy needs to be left alone..there are many other pressing matters the DoD needs to deal with. Believe it or not gay men do not go around lusting after every guy we see and in fact many of the ones I served with I wouldn’t screw with all the alcohol in the World…you just can’t drink ugly away! I was focused on my job and did my duty. I lived offbase and when I was offduty I went home

LOL…if you met me you wouldn’t even have the first clue I’m gay..I’m not flamboyant and those who were in the military got their asses kicked and drummed out.

The gay debate has never really been an issue unless the gays made it one. I am just wondering if they get rid of don’t ask, don’t tell, what’s next? Gay marriage in the military? Are they going to put a gay and his or her gay partner on the housing list ahead of a soldier with kids and a wife?

This is what we get when blindly elect people like Obama who have served a day in the military. Obama is a socialist and he will not be happy until he breaks the nation financially and returns all the favors he owes to every fringe group in the nation.

Paul..the newest facts and figures show the the demographic with skyrocketing HIV infections is the African American community. Believe me the gay community educated themselves early on and the numbers from the CDC speak for themselves. Again you think with the stereotype…not all gays are flamers and sing show tunes or dress in drag. We aren’t out thinking with our little head as much as you think we are. My health is good..no STDs, no HIV and same goes to my partner. We are actually pretty conservative in our politics and try to be productive members of our community. I got out of the Army and went to work as a civilian for the Air Force at Wright Pat and enjoy my new life as a civilian immensely. Do my neighbors know that the two guys next door are gay..if they do they have never said a word and I have alot better things to talk about than what I do in the bedroom

notice neither link works

Sure there are more hetro child-molester, because there are more hetros. Homos are just 2% of the populaton, but commit 1/3 of all molestinga.

Why does Mr McIntyre use the terms “foot dragging”. Obama needs to be blocked. Why would anybody want to hurt our military, their familise and children ? Tonight O speaks and hugs perverts, including NAMBLA members.

Here we go with the stereotyping once again. Obama can only do what congress allows him to. The only child molester I’ve known was my partners father who raped his daughters and then an 11 year old girl in Pensecola. He is straight or at least was before he learned how to play drop the soap for Bubba. Are you outright stating I hurt the US Army by spending my time in because I’m gay. I’ve never looked at a chilod with any kind of sexual feelings and if anyone would have done my son that way, well lets just say I’d be behind bars for a gruesome murder. So DO NOT put me in the same category as a freaking pedophile. One thing for the record..NAMBLA is HATED by 99.9% of the gay community including me. As far as I’m conerned they need to be hung by their balls till they fall off and besides they are a fringe group just as their are very perverted Heterosexual groups for whatever their fetish is…contd in next post

Here in Ohio I can think of several youth ministers in evangelical church getting busted for kiddie porn and taking little 13 and 14 yr old girls on “overnight trips” so you can say the evangelicals have the monopoly on morality. I agree it doesn’t need to be taught in school and I agree if you are gay and serving then abide by the DoD policy and if you don’t then don’t whine and cry foul to the damn ACLU cause thats a crock of crap. But don’t sit up on throne of judgment and make broad strokes claiming men or women who are gay and do serve with distinction are hurting the military and destroying the family unit. It wasn’t the gays marrying, then divorcing, then 5 months later be back in the saddle again..the gays didn’t cause the divorce rate to sore (and divorce is only acceptable according to the Good Book over adultery..nothing else). Hell you wouldn’t know most gays in uniform if they came up and kicked you in the ass!

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the link abovce is where an HIV positive person gets a BCD from the Nay for having unprotected sex.…oh wait a sec..it was a STRAIGHT HIV positive guy have unprotected sex with 2 WOMEN…not 2 gays being deviant and this is the first time I’ve ever herard of a case in the Service
Damn..there goes ANOTHER of your stereotypes out the window…and guess what we the taxpayer will have to flip his medical bills. You say most of us are trying to shove “our agenda” (of which I’ve never seen or read anywhere), we are going to infect everyone with HIV (looks like you hetero’s beat us to that as well), you don’t want us to marry cause you think we will take the sanctity out of the marraige institution yet in some states the divorce rate is around 50% , You think we all flame while on duty and break down unit cohesion but you don’t have a clue if you actually served alongside another gay person, and of course lets not forget we are all child molesters and I’ve heard a few say we are into bestiality…really grabbing at straws…

The sad part of all this is that those of you who are evangelical would gladly turn the United States into a theocracy (just like Iran) if given the chance. The Bible would become law of the land like sharia law. You need to look at the biggies in Evangelical Christiandom…Ted Haggard…meth head and paid male prostitutes..Jimmy (bring me another Hooker) Swaggart…but its OK cause he repented on antional TV and my two favorites Paul and Jan Crouch of TBN (TBN is actually paying off a guy from taking Paul to court and claims he and Paul Crouch had sex with one another. Most of us DO NOT want any “special” rights. I worked for everything I got and I don’t owe anyone for getting where I am. If you don’t like gays its no sweat off my ass but don’t blame me and others like me for the shape things are in

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Listen..I’m all for DADT…and I’m gay. If there is a gay agenda nobody showed it to me

Damn right! Couldn’t agree more!

couldn’t agree more. I’m hoping to join the USMC soon and would rather DIE than get a blood transfusion from a gay. Simply put, I’d rather die than get aids. (can’t have sex with your wife, doomed to die early death, waste away in a hospital,) all because some homosexual wanted to serve in the military to get health benefits.

Equating NAMBLA members to the gay community is BS. Also, I think it is ridiculous to require a person to do a background check on someone before he/she can shake hands.

If you are HIV positive you can not join the military so some positive guy joining for health insurance is ludicrious. Nowadays HIV is NOT a death sentence and most people have it in check with a decent immune system and an undetectable viral load (how active the virsu is in your system). Once again people rely on stereotypes and don’t even check the facts before posting

I cant believe that a leader of the USA would say hes sorry as hes ashamed of the US and turn around and give his work to appeal something he dont know about I feel that each person who voted for Obama thought they knew what they were doing by electing the first black Pres, but they dident think that this dumb ass would have to help run the country only that we will help elect 1st Pres, of color dont blame Obama for what hes doing couse you dumb voters who only vote when someone pays you put this foriener in our highest position and I hope he screws you over real good and you might think about voting for someone whos been around for awhile. Think of what these GAYS will do to the Armed forces I like the Idea that dont tell till you are scared and want MOM but she and your own dad dont want you back in there house, I am glad to be retired couse the first time a gay opened his mouth in pride in My Army I would put him on his ass.

Chaz, You’re a moron! Get out of the dark ages and into the 21st century. I served 28 years and see nothing wrong with allowing gays to serve openly in the military. The only people threatened are those with little minds like yours. My wife and I have friends who are gay and they can kick butt as well as anyone else. Gay discrimination is wrong. They are people just like everyone else and they have rights just like anyone else. If you have to discriminate, discriminate against narrow-minded, simpletons like yourself!

Hey guys,

I’ve read a lot of the rhetoric and that’s all it is, rhetoric. I served on active duty under Reagan and in hostile environments. Some of the quotes on here with regard to instances of HIV, STD’s and the current policy are a sham. With regard to the VA, I am a service connected Vet. I’ve used the VAMC in Miami, Atlanta, Omaha, and New York…they’re all over tasked. They’ve been over tasked before the war and, yes, more so now. But to allege that gay guys drive STD’s and are going to break the VA’s bank is another sham; no statistical support to that claim, just a guy angry about life.

You guys need to get over your fear and realize that I can fight just as hard and with a more courageous nature, because of all the crap we put up with from guys like the ones here making false statements and taking cheap shots. There’s no changing your minds, but we will continue to show the other two hundred ninety million Americans that gay men and women are just as tough, just as strong and just as able bodied as any of you, hands down. So, give your rhetoric a rest and wake up.

Has a gay guy or girl ever really put you in danger? Seriously, I doubt it. He was probably in the fox hole with you, you’re best buddy and, now, you hear he’s gay, so, being the follower that you are, you join the crowd and say, “yeah, friggin fags are bad for the military!” I could care less about what Obama said, but don’t call me or my gay buddies out and try to make a gay guy any less of a man than you guys. WE will be open regardless of who’s president and while we’re on active duty, we will follow orders, perform out duties to the letter, fight to protect America and while we’re taking crap from some people who don’t know any better, we will live, work and defend America as gay men and gay women.

God bless our troops,

My brother is gay, and I hope he someday will have the same opportunity to marry and be happy. That being said, when I was in the service, I was twice propositioned by homosexual females, and it turned my stomach. It is clear that Mr. Obama has never experienced the shower scene in boot camp (40 women through 6 showers in 5 minutes). This is not the time one wants to wonder whether the person standing next to her is gay. Furthermore, Mr. Obama is apparently unaware that those in the military have no choice in the identity of their roommates. It is all about PDA, and I don’t want to see it among heterosexuals any more than I want to see it among homosexuals. I think the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy keeps those who march in gay pride parades, those who feel the need to force their homosexuality up the noses of heterosexuals, those gays who will cause trouble, out of the service. The policy should remain in place.

It is incredible that such a large amount of bigotry, ignorance, and lack of basic education should show itself here. Are you for equal rights for all Americans? Yes or no? If no, who gives you the right to say that some should not be equal? The Constitution and the Bill of Rights mandates that we are all equal.

The use of fear, religion, and just plain ignorance to justify the ban is coming to an end. Within five years, gay men and women will be allowed to serve openly in the military. It’s just that simple. For those of you who think the Dems will be kicked out next year or 2012, or suffering from delusions. Bush and the right wing have so screwed up this nation, that it will leave the Dems in power for twenty years. Sure there will be a change in seats, no doubt, but it will not be enough to change control.

As soon as enough dems find their balls, the laws will change. EQUAL rights, not special rights.…get it?

No amount of politically-skewered “reports” by politically ambitious military bureaucrats is going to change the fact that average joes are overwhelmingly opposed to repealing the ban and that, if done, it will definitely have a serious impact on morale. The military is not the place for social engineering.

I hate to tell you, but almost all of our NATO allies and Isreal allow openly gay members. Know anyone mocking the Isreali army?

Countries that Allow Gay Men and Lesbians
to Serve Openly in their Armed Forces:
Australia Austria Bahamas Belgium
Canada Czech Republic Denmark Estonia
Finland France Germany Ireland
Israel Lithuania Luxembourg Netherlands
New Zealand Norway Slovenia South Africa
Spain Sweden Switzerland UK
Countries that do not: Iran, Iraq, Libya.…and the UNITED STATES.
Are you more scared of a roadside bomb and insufficient armor or your comrade noticing your calf muscles?

This is the real answer:
Countries that Allow Gay Men and Lesbians
to Serve Openly in their Armed Forces:
Australia Austria Bahamas Belgium
Canada Czech Republic Denmark Estonia
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Look I served six years as a gay officer, including a year in Vietnam. No problem. I really had no interest in talking about it and other gay members I knew felt the same way. We weren ‘t in to come out. We were in to serve the country we loved and to gain skills and have useful job experiences. I did see a few “witch hunts” which kind of scared me as a 22 year-old, but I somehow never thought they were the Navy, just some bad people in it doing a really bad thing to some decent kids. I didn’t like the policy, but it really didn’t affect me until one of the men in my unit committed suicide after being blackmailed by another sailor. Then I knew it was an evil policy and needed to go. I still think of the life that young man threw away over this TRULY minor matter. Get over it guys! That good son or grandson of yours may be gay and he should have the right to serve just as you did.

Imagine being shot, bleeding out your mouth, chest and stomach. You thought you were left for dead but one person chose to pull your ass out of the grips of the grim reaper. When you open your eyes you found out it was one of the fruitiest mf’s in your platoon. Gues what? that man saved your life and this is the country you live in and he lives in, you are all Americans. We fight to be Americans and if there are Americans who are gay then they deserve every right to fight for what they believe becasue they are AMERICANS!!!!! I am a married man top a beautiful wife with two boys and I can tell you this you fight for your country, you die for your country and you deserve to be who the fuck you want to be in this country. Gay men supervisors help take the weight off the guys because the hetro supervisors are being suger daddies to ladies and giving them the easy jobs while we bust our ass becaue chief homophobic is to busy trying to score with the ladies letting them work in his office while the guys paint and chip.…… Iraqi Veteran,we stand together ‚we fight together, we die together we are free together.

I’m a republican and I’m a Christian. I believe in maximum individual liberty…freedom from control. The only limit to true liberty is to not infringe upon the liberties of others. Don’t step on my liberty, I won’t step on yours. It’s that simple. If what someone else is doing ain’t hurting you, what do you care? Most folks who really give a crap about preventing gays from being equals in society have internal issues of their own.

Just because I like female bits and pieces don’t mean I should deny homosexuals their rights. I served with several I knew were gay, and was friends with them. They’re just people. They just have different preference in personal relationships is all.

Let gays serve openly. Let gays marry. Really, who the hell is it hurting? They deserve to be equally as miserable as most married heterosexual couples (I happen to be happy in mine). No special privileges (like the hate crimes legislation that is going through now), but equal protection of the law.

I agree Chaz.…God made man and woman to bear fruit (children), and it is not God’s way for 2 men or 2 women to be together, regardless of what they think.. A true christian would not accept that. I am not a very religious person, but I do believe in God and this is not how he meant things to be..
I certainly would not feel safe if I was fighting a war, and some feminine guy was next to me and was supposed to be watching my back so I wouldn’t get killed.

Right on G. White… I’m with you

it’s amazing how prejudice always has a million scientific reasons for hate and lots of examples. read for example Nazi propaganda on jews or KKK speeches about blacks or South African apartheid. you guys give the same reasons for homophobic hate as the Taliban or al Qaeda. in fact every other military in the free world openly includes lgtb soldiers and they all excel. israel’s army is no slacker and its top officers NCOs and soldiers include openly gay people among its best. science shows that gay people are normal and gay parents even better at raising children. children of gay couples do better in school, do better socially, do better financially even though gay families are discriminated against. all the negative facts you guys trot out are lies, hate, prejudice. it’s a shame. i feel sorry for you living with all your fears and self doubts. i am a vet with a 100% VA disability. you not only hurt yourselves but your country with this hate. godspeed. god bless america.

yep! dont ask dont tell

Obama needs to serve in the military. all politicians need to serve in the military at lease one term before being elect to in office. If Fags serve openly in the military then men and women need to sleep and shower together openly too! Friendly fire to all fags who are in the military that come out of the closet!

I served for 22 years and in that time, I had been confronted by three open gays who desired to change me or to inspire upon me their sexual yearnings. Even if someone says no, I care not to go that way, or become harsh to the point that you threaten them with judiciary action, some just don’t get it. All three were discharged, one lost everything as only two more years he would have retired with a full military pension.

I also had friends who I knew to be closet gays. Those who did not try to come onto others. They picked and choose there companions very secretly and discreetly. That to me was fine. Respect me for my desires to be heterosexual and I would in turn respect you for your homosexual/bisexual desires. But don’t confront those who do not want to become gay, just because you have feelings for them. In that regards,.…

The American Armed Forces have no place for fags!!!

This is a situation that Obama would not interfere with if he had any military experience. IF IT’S NOT BROKE, DON’T FIX IT. DADT works for the better of all who serve. There are enough other issues that the president should be concentrating on.

Cohesiveness would be severely affected if gays served openly, here is why„, In the Military Men/Women whether gay or straight eat, sleep and shower together, thereby giving them access to a daily porn show, not to mention the severe unease it would create among those that are heterosexual if they knew. It would be the same as allowing straight men/woman in the other sexes berthing which is forbidden under military rules. Most are not against gays serving but the old addage of “what you don’t know can’t hurt you” must apply. That’s it in a nutshell. It amazes me that the Presidents that want to change military policy have never served in the Military.

Wow. Who are these people? Reminds me of the old radio program, It Pays to be Ignorant. Young people in the military today are much more aware of the realities of life, and much more tolerant of humanity’s variations, than these Neanderthals from the “good old days”.

If we permit homosexuals to serve openly, does that mean we treat them according to their choice? For men preferring to be treated as females and women preferring to be males, do we treat them as search? If so, does that mean rooming them with their preferred sexual orientation and creating separate space for each? I think we as a society are making a mistake by trying to normalize homosexuality. According to the scriptures, homosexuality is an abomination against God, why should we, the ones He created, try to make it acceptable? Alcoholics, Addicts, criminals, etc, we try to help, to change, to reform to aid in making them productive citizens. Why is homosexuality different?

Obama is pushing this deviant behaviour because his approval rating is going south like a duck in winter. He needs all the friends he can get. Gays only make up 2.5% of the American population. How desperate can this guy be? I mean, ask any brother on the street what he thinks about sucking coque and see what happens.

Let the law stand.I have seen gays flaunt who they are whle on duy. acooks helper used oranges under his Tshirt to show large boobs.let them serve but do n ot chage the law

As a retired Marine and a retire Police Officer I have served with both gay men and women in both fields. None of them bothered me with the sexuallity or approached me or tried to change me. They did their jobs and all they asked were to be allowed to do their jobs and live their lives. As long as DADT is in effect some of these fine service people will have to keep their personal lives to themselves and sometimes that does make them pretty lonely. Every one that I did know though was agood marine and a fine police officer

Will the President end don’t ask don’t tell for bestiality natured people. Or will he end it for pedophiles. Will he remove the restriction on men that want to wear dresses? Remember they were born this way. Don’t ask a person what they want to do in bed with another person is natural. What will the President do with a male that believes he should have sex with males and females? What about people that believe they were born to have sex in orgies groups. When does sickness come into the picture? Do you men really want us to know what you put in your mouth, or do you women want us to know the toys you injure one another with? Is it necessary for the enemy in battle to know that you are not a true man? Can the President change the medical terms in biology? You people that find it necessary to do sexual things that are unnatural, trying doing them without protection. There has not been one professional person in science that states people that have sexual desires for ones of the same sex were born that way. It is a choice. Therefore, don’t tell the world that you like the chances of getting AIDS, or the chances of virginal problems.

Here is the answer; people can say they are reincarnated, this would make it legal. Who can question a concept? They were women in another life, but now they are men. Or they were men and now they are women. What about the snakes that came back as a men? Can anyone deny that they are not snakes? All the evidence in the world points against it but, they have a right to be called snakes? What about Jonathan Edward’s sea gull teaching? Human will never be more than what they are as males and females. The reason all homosexual practicing persons are unhappy with life and society is because they are trying to be something they are not, and they want every one to agree or die.

It’s time people realize that the gay lifestyle is just that — an alternative lifestyle. Drug or alcohol use/abuse is another alternative lifestyle. You may not like the grouping, but they are all different lifestyles outside the norm. A gay ban is not sexual discrimination. Constitutional guarantees against discrimination based on religion, race, age, or sex never included the gays.That is a convenient interpretation by gays to gain acceptance of their lifestyle. I have no problem with gays. What they do in their own bedrooms is their business, but don’t ask to be accepted as a minority group and expect special laws based on your alternative lifestyle. Addicts and alcoholics worship drugs and alcohol. Are you ready to say they are discriminated against because of their religion. None of these belong in the military.

Like many, I have and continue to serve in the military. I have been on many deployments and would gladly die for this country. I read the posts in this forum and it makes me shake my head. However, I fight so that everyone has a voice and continue to have rights in this country. No one can tell me that God doesn’t love me. That relationship is between him and I’m a lesbian. A God loving lesbian. Christian because christianity is suppose to be the most open and loving of religions. I will willingly die for this country and for God . I am not the stereotype lesbian. i don’t wear flannel and birkenstocks. Let me tell you what it’s like to be a woman on a ship. Nothing about sexuality. Straight men are no angels. How fast wedding rings come off when the ship pulls away. How quickly you are cornered and told “oh course you want to go on a date with me when we hit port.” The point is, no one is perfect. No one. Not gays, straights or the ambivilent. The key is love and loyalty. I have those, do you?

I was molested by a supposed friend. We were on deployment to Okinawa in1984 and on ship for an exercise. I woke up to a Corpman performing oral sex on me. I was a respected NCO and well known thru-out the unit. I should have beat the f### out of him for taking advantage of our friendship! I would have went to the brig, lost rank and pay just for this Pervert to advance his sexual preferences. I rolled over as if I was still asleep to stop the humiliation. I never spoke to him again nor have I ever told anyone about this until now.

How many people did you survey? Stop lying. It is the practice, not the person. Many people have sexuals mislead issues; none, too little, not enough, too much, with anybody or with anything. Get it together. If you are a man, it should be with a woman. If you are a woman, it should be with a man. Check the mirrow, or admit your sick.

and when you get hit by enemy fire I will still be there to patch you up. Will you still shoot me then when your life is in my hands and I am taking great risks to save yours? I hope for your soul and your family that you don’t.

How about the VA treating 55,000 AIDS cases per year and every year(see VA web site). All 55,000 are not homo, just most, thanks to Clinton’s forcing DADT on us in 1993. That cost big bucks and uses up funds that should be spent on combat wounded. On active duty that wastes funds that should be used for soldier and family medical care. Why would anybody want to hurt our military???

You just dont get it do you. Its not about somebody being gay or not, do you know that if its not broke dont fix it, well!!! If you open up a policy such as this it will open up the flood gates and will totally change the cohesion of the military, like it or not people will judge and things are going to happen. Why not lets just keep are sexual preference to are selfs and do what we are paid to do defend this country. Thats what its about. Nobody needs to know who is in the fox hole, just that we may have to save each others life, enough said.

DADT didn’t increase cases of AIDS. Gays have been in the military since it’s inception. Did you know that in Africa AIDS is running rampant. Did you also know that the reason it is, is because heterosexual males infected with AIDS think that if they have sex with a virgin, the AIDS will go away. These men are raping little girls who are as young as two years old to “rid” their bodies of AIDS. And they are heterosexual. See what ignorance can do?

Corporal, it is admirable that you do not care with whom gay servicemembers sleep, only that they can do the job at hand. Just remember that on deployments in crowded tents, foxholes, vehicles, etc., that gay servicemember will be sleeping with YOU! This agenda is being forced by people that have no understanding of military life and want to force their beliefs on others.

Sir, regardless of how you participate in community activities or use protection to keep yourself from being infected, your life style is wrong. Praising you for helping others is good, but your lifestyle is wrong. Do you know who coin the word love? God did. It is immutable. Love does not behave itself unseemly. Love works no ill. If two men have sex together this is unseemly and could cause illness. Therefore, it can’t be love. Now, what is your reason? Another thing, the people next door talks about you like dogs, but they are not going to tell you. If you turn your life over to Jesus Christ, and truly get saved, you will see that his ways are the only way to live.

Intelguy, are you proud of your deceit? Does your family know of your orientation? Did you tell the other GIs when you shared barracks and showers, or was that just a bonus?

Gays do not deserve equal rights when it comes to getting the benefits of marriage like producers, married men and women under license of the state or common law marriage, male and female who produce offspring (in other words children). Like it or not, when a man and woman apply for and are married under license of any state in our union, their offspring actually become wards of the state. In other words, they become future taxpayers and the state has a vested reason for providing benefits to the producers of these offspring. They will one day pay taxes to the government. Since homosexuals do not produce any offspring they can not contribute to the treasuries of the various states. Therefore, the states have no obligation, duty or otherwise responsibility to provide the same benefits to non-producers that it does to married, common law or otherwise. It would be immoral, unethical and irresponsible to provide equal benefits to those who are not eligible, it would be the same as demanding a benefit from an insurance company without paying the premiums. But at least IMHO the current commander-in-chief, being the fraud and deceiver he is, will do all he can to get those benefits for all the ineligible, unqualified in whatever fraudulent manner he can. Besides all that, the military has always refused to accept unhealthy or even the potential unhealthy people to avoid costly medical expenses down the road, why should that change? Why should the military accept possible future health liabilities of potential HIV cases it doesn’t have to?

No They should not change “do not ask Do not tell” Homosexuals shouldnt be in the military services. The military goes by Uniformity– homosexuals in the military disrupt the uniformity of the unit, then you lose your discipline, so forth down the line till you have a BAD military.Sorry dont mean to bother any ones feeling But I want my sons safe in the military.

I am sorry that you were taken advantage of by a criminal. It’s not a gay thing only though. Do you know how many times as a child I was taken advantage of by an adult male? 3 times that I can count and 2 were relatives. I am not alone. Many young women are molested by make family members at a young age. This behavior is wrong no matter what sexualtiy. Again, I am sorry that you were taken advantage of and hope that like me, you were able to receive help to get over the invasion of your body.

DADT did not increase the amount of gays in the military. We have always been there. AIDS happens to everyone. How many times does a service member go into port and pay for a hooker in countries that have very little sex education. AIDS is a result of poor protection decisions not sexuality.

Calm down, Michael, don’t have a hissy fit.

This is ridiculous I think that homosexuality is a sin and I don’t want to be a part of it I don’t want my children or the schools think that it is okay. I was in the military and I know that most people don’t like this or want to be a part of it. Yes we should love everyone but hate the sin, sin is sin why don’t we stand up for the truth and for what we know is right a marriage of man and woman why don’t we march and have parades to celebrate that.

So sad

Sorry Cpl U.S.M.C. If you knew homosexuals serving in the Marine Corps, you were obligated yo report it. If you knew it, there was a breech of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Policy. I am a retired Colonel, USA and served in the Military Police Corps for several years, including a tour in Korea. The conduct of homosexuals is inimical to the good order and discipline of any unit. I have known several queers in my over 80 years and I would not serve in the same unit; I would do my best to get them out of the military.

You are serving the country to defend the Freedom of the people in the USA.
Don’t forget that fact. YOU serve all the people in this country regardless of their
religious beliefs, sexual orientation, race, gender, national origin. You are serving
to defend our way of life.

Wilson, You obviously haven’t a clue and with your mindset, never will.

It seems as though being openly gay would cause problems with poeple who are not due to some of the policies in the military. For example, would a straight person want to be in close quarters with a gay person who was able to openly hit on them? There’s a reason that women and men are separated and if people are able to be openly gay, it would seem the military has a lot of work to do on housing accomodations. As a woman I would not want to be forced to shower with men, so why would a staright man want to be forced to shower with someone they know is gay?

Congratulations SFC Brown; If we never knew, that meant policy was being followed. If the DADT policy is overturned, homosexuals obeying the policy and a new inflx of the flaming gays just waiting for fresh meat will flock to the feeding trough. Again, I congratulate you on your service and your integrity.

I agree with your stance on the DADT policy. I disagree about your use of the word ‘rights’ in that context. Military service is, has been and always will be a ‘Special Privilege’.

Thank you for your support… My main point being that his behavior, based on his sexuality, was forced upon me and I would have to react VIOLENTLY to maintain my status as an outstanding Marine. Thats why we are saying keep the Gays OUT of the military! If I would have been armed it would have been over!!!

Let’s put is this way. If you knew that the guy in the foxhole next to you was gay, he got wounded and you were the only one who could give him first aid. Would you? Yes there is AIDS testing, but when? Every 6 months? Do you know whether he was tested? If it has been six months, where has he been since then? In a foreign country where they don’t care who you sleep with. If you were living in the barracks, 4 to a room, would you want to be assigned to a room where there were 3 openly gay men already there? Do you want to be thought of as gay? Even though you are not. You may enact laws but you will never, I say again, NEVER, stop the thoughts of another person until they are either brain dead or just dead.

If you think you can solve the worlds problems by passing la

ws, you cant hink again. All you end up doing is stinking your finger in the dike. (no pun intended) Let’s get real. If you are a Christian, it’s a no brainer. If you think you are a Christian, it’s a no brainer. I think its hypocritical for these politicians to make laws that are definitely not what a Christian peron would do, and then spend Sunday morning in church and feel good about themselves. Let’s not get started on the Social Security System either. I still think that ALL, I mean ALL, people who have any say, part, or play in the system should participate in its support. I think Politicains should receive the same amount of retirement that the military do. Didn’t we all serve the same government? Why do those who served, who were asked to put there life on the line day in and day out not afforded the same benefits as those who sent them in harm’s way int he first place? If I served 20 years in the military, why can’t I receive my entire paycheck like the politicians do?

And my wife should get paid 50 percent of that as well! Just like the politicians do. Where is the equity in resolutions? If they have to take money out of their pockets isn’t it curious as to how long that takes? If the money was coming out of our pockets, and the 10% that were screaming for it, they would not hesitate! If they were deciding how much of a raise they needed, they would spend days and weeks making sure that the people of the US would not know how they were cutting other programs to fill their own pockets.

History repeats itself. When are we going to learn. Politicians only look out for themselves and those that they get money directly from. Those perks that are totally illegal are getting the job done. Not for the constituents, for themselves. The desire to become a politican to serve the people is treated with disdain after the election.

The american people should not be forced to accept such anti-Christian views in the workplace, military, or personal lives. Equally repulsive and vulgar to those who commit homosexual acts are those that promote these acts by acceptance.

How is it that older ppl can be so nieve and ignorant? To say that gays open in the military would cause aids breakouts please!!! No having unprotected sex with ppl you don’t know will do that to anyone inside and outside the military you f’n idiots! News flash I’d say about 40% of men and woman serving right now are gay and ppl don’t care! Its unfair to say that gay ppl are child molestors first off I have never in my life looked at a child in any sort of sexual way anyone who raves around sayin that is just plain ignorant. Who cares what the hell these soldiers do when they go home… As long as they are getting the damn job done right? I feel that gays should be allowed to be open in the military and those who choose to have families deserve their benefits just like anyone else.

I remember when ppl had a problem with black ppl joining the military and woman! And this is no different! It will happen eventually. So just stand the hell by and when you find out that some of your closest shipmates or battles and whatever else you call them are gay will your view of them change?

I’m proud of my service and my service record speaks for itself. Yes my father, who is a retired Army CW4 is very much aware of my orientation and he judges me on my merits not on who I sleep with. I know you straight guys think that we gays want you..we don’t! I never looked at anyone I served with as potential sexual partners. Believe or not I can think with my big head. Nobody ever asked and I never told while in uniform!

Guess you just can’t stand eating out in restaurants, going to movies, going to a bar, going to a hospital, etc. Because all these bad gay people feed you, entertain you, serve you, and yes, they even take care of sorry people like you in the hospital. Obviously, you need to walk in Jesus foot steps and never judge people for you that judge will be judged. I pray for people like you that don’t understand biology or human decency. One day when your life depends on a gay person to keep you alive, “Do you think they will turn their back on their duty”? I served with many gay people and they my friend served their country as proudly as you did. You need all our prayers.…may God forgive you for your ignorance and ego. Amen

Let’s see now. Gays are already, and probably always have been, in the military. It’s OK so long as they don’t “tell.” Does that make sense? In the meantime, we are now reduced to recruiting known felons and street gang members. They are brining their gangs into the units and learning combat skills to use on local law enforcement when returning home after service.

I’d prefer to see committed citizens in the military, regardless of their gender preference, than to see our military corrupted with gang bangers. And, yes, this is becoming a problem. BTW, I’m straight.
US Army, Retired

so basically what your saying is if there was a child in your kids class who had 2 mothers and no father you wouldnt allow him or her to play with that child because of their parents sexual orientation??? guess what having your children in any kind of public school or any school period besides homeschool they are going to run into it. they may even try it. If you end up with a gay child would you disown? or would you still accept them? just the way your saying all this crap about marriage is suppose to be between a man and a woman how many years ago were ppl saying that it was between a WHITE woman and a WHITE man… that a WHITE woman cannot marry a BLACK man and all this jazz.… you ppl are afraid of change and the indifferent. but there will come a day when gays will have the same rights as straights and you will have no choice but to put up or shut the hell up!

I dont understand the ignorance you speak… just like a gay man can have aids as can a straight man… so in that case you should just let the f**ker die right? cuz either way it could happen… I keep saying it… the same way you ppl talk about gays is the exact same why ppl were about interracial relationships and black people in the military as well as women in the military!

times are changing so just put up or shut up… cuz either way we will make sure we get the same rights as any other person here in the USA.

totally agreed!

your a complete idiot! Who are you to say what and who God wants? you people make me laugh with all these idiotic narrow minded replys. the same way you speak is the same way people spoke of how wrong it was to have woman in the military along with African Americans.We will get our rights soon… so you should probably make arrangments to go to another country were men own their wives and children… pack ur bags because its going to happen=]

I HAVE SEEN FEMININIE GUYS BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU… WHOS TO SAY THAT THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION DECIDES WHAT KIND OF MAN THEY ARE AND HOW THEY FIGHT OR THEIR ABILITY TO DO A JOB RIGHT? dang.. i fogot if your gay… that means that your weak and dont know up from down… I completly agree with you ONEBADMOTHERFUCKER.

obviously you have never been in the military. we have individual stalls idiot.

the law should be and will be changed eventually.

stand by

Sounds to me like maybe you should be making arrangments to go to another country soon… maybe somewhere were you can own slaves and beat and rape your children and woman have no rights…

sounds like those countries are right up your alley=]

You people are a disgrace to the idea that America was founded upon and it disgusts me that I serve alongside such a morose bunch of brainless, uninformed, mechanical, close-minded half-wits. You don’t deserve the Honor associated with the uniforms you wear.

agreed

Rev, I to am a minister of the gospel. If you are a saved Rev, you would agree with God. If you are not, then continue to be what you are, but you also need to be saved. The title Rev doesn’t grant you any special privileges when you are wrong. And, at this moment you are wrong. Equal rights for all Americans! There are only two types of Americans, males and females.

Sexual expression between adults doesn’t have to be spelled out in a document, unless it is to govern what should not take place. This is why there is a clause in life insurance denying coverage if a person takes their own life. Sir you misquoted the mandates in the Constitution. Your interpretation is based on ambiguity. No one is stating that a male or female should not be giving equal rights, we are saying your sexual expression will not be giving the Golden Hand of Acceptance.

What ignorance is being preached? Is it the ignorance of science or the scripture? You claim to be a preacher of the Bible. What passage of scripture do you justify these sexual practices? Did you read the late part of St John 3rd Chapter? You sir have a spiritual problem or you are totally ignorant of the scriptures. You contradict yourself in character by naming President Bush, and praising Dems. The later is an organization of beliefs, while President Bush is a soul. Sir, which one of these two deserves forgiveness?

Stop using this idiotic title of Rev to further your sexual deviant philosophy. Sexual expression is giving by God so that a male and female may enough it in the bonds of matrimony. Anything else is death. Time and time again the misuse of our bodies has proven to be detrimental. What part of this do you not understand?

I’m an active duty Army Officer, currently in Iraq, very close to retirement and yes — GAY.

I began my Army career, like many other Officers, as an Enlisted Soldier, promoted to Sergeant and then to ROTC to get my my commission. In my nearly 23 years of service, I can tell you that most people in the military don’t care nearly as much about the issue as everyone seems to think. We’re not in Iran or China — we are in America… We (everyone) deserve the right to be free WITH EQUAL RIGHTS as long as we don’t violate any of your human rights or break any laws… notice I left out “conform with your definition of morality or religious-based opinions.”

So yes… we have showered with you, slept in the same room as you (same bed as some of you), got drunk with you, been best friends with you, laughed with you, cried with you, fought on the battlefield with you, died on the battlefield with you, had sex with you, didn’t have sex with you, fought with you, and everything else with you except tell you who our partners really are…

Can any of you imagine going your whole career and not telling anyone who your partner or spouse is? not bringing them to functions or dinners or dances? Imagine? Well believe it or not — most of us won’t advertise… this is about having the freedom to do all those little things mentioned above — that wouldn’t be so little if it was effecting heterosexuals instead!

I can also tell you that there is way too much hypocrisy out there… and it’s time for everyone to get over their self-righteousness and stop thinking its okay to prevent any minority from having the same freedoms as the majority. Its too bad I can’t air ALL the dirty laundry in the “oh-so-pure” military, but here’s the tip of the iceberg… there are actually A LOT of gay and bi Soldiers in the military… some of them are married (most of the spouses don’t know about it)… ON THE HETERO SIDE: try swinger parties/websites, group sex parties, and rampant adultery to name just a few… if you doubt me, just look on the AKO Blog sites and chat rooms where you will find it all… hetero and gay/bi!

It’s time for this country and military to get over one of the last few remaining “legal and acceptable” prejudices against a minority… and stop all the open and rampant discrimination against bi and gay PEOPLE-HUMAN BEINGS-BROTHERS-SISTERS-AUNTS-UNCLES-SONS-DAUGHTERS-FRIENDS-NEIGHBORS!

WTF really.… how stupid are these comments are against gays in the military its all ignorant b/s… im gay i served the marine infintry for my 4 yrs without any problems of who i was.. i was even tougher then half the straight guys there anyways… after i came out and told ALL my fellow marines NONE of them saw me any different.… actually some said they had an idea and not because i was flamin or anything like that ( because im far from being a flamer) but because i wasn’t all over girls as they were… hell i even came out to straight marine friends while out on post in iraq and still they said the same it dont matter as long as you do your job and whats expected of you…
oh and to the retired Master Sgt. saying all that about us spreading HIV/AIDS to eveyone… hello dumb nuts they test us for HIV/AIDS while were in… numerous times…
so i say f**k Dont Ask Dont Tell.…

have you ever been in the military? obviously not… WE DONT SHOWER TOGETHER!!! WE HAVE OUR OWN DAMN STALLS YOU IDIOT! and who cares!! thats like saying every lesbian that sees you… wants to hit on you… lol i know plenty of straight girls that I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole! lol no matter the amount of alcohol…

time for you to get out now before someone well soap you out then be a man take it like a soldier and be a man then tell about the family GOD gave you a wife again GOD made adam and eve not adam and steve GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES

I believe we have the right policy in place with the current “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. My fear in letting homosexuals serve openly is that they will inevitably take the “slippery slope” that will lead to the breakdown of unit cohesion and morale, and that would be contrary to the UCMJ. Under the current policy, gays must keep their alternative lifestyle “in-check” and behind closed doors…the way it should be.

Choosing to engage in an alternate (sexual) lifestyle is not grounds for making yourself a protected class of citizen. It is a choice made based on personal preference (although in my belief abhorrant) but that lifestyle does not fit the military lifestyle.

Homosexuals already have the right to serve in the military but must do it with professionalism while holding their military bearing.…what’s wrong with that? What more do you want?…the ability to hold hands and cuddle openly in the barracks and while shopping at the exchange? Do you want to be able to play your Judy Garland and “It’s raining men” music in the barracks without being made fun of? You may be able to keep your “gay-ness” in check now but being allowed to serve “openly gay” would mean some would take it to the next level and I am not ready to start dealing with Soldiers/Sailors cavorting around in “drag”, “cheeky hot-pants”, “leather chaps”, while using “gay-speak” and blowing kisses.

The U.S. Military is designed for one purpose: “To fight and Win the Nation’s Wars” not to be socially correct or socially engineered or present a job/career for any and all who apply. In order to do this, there must be a firm level of behavior and inert norms set up. Obesity is a physical/genetic disposition but do we allow overweight Servicemen to serve? No, we do not. Alcoholism and drug addition are physical/genetic dispositions but do we allow Servicemen to be openly abuse alcohol and drugs? No, we do not. If you do not fit the standardized profile of what a Servicemember should be, then you are dealt with and summarily discharged for “failure to adapt to military life”.

holy sh*t lady im gay and i know not to hit on a STRAIGHT man because he is STRAIGHT.…

sstatss with a name like that you are just hideing something yourself. Its okay to come out. I served five years in the service yes i realize it was only five years but I was served openly as a lesbian my command new about me and every one around me. I work in prisons with murders and rapists and do you think i didn’t have to watch anyones back?! I believe that at least an 1/8 of the armed sevices is gay, lesibian or bisexual and if you have a problem with it get out becuase we are not!

that is so true… and its not when your off on ship its even when your stationed away in a different state all my straight friends had no problem with takin there rings off when they went out to the bars…

As a Military Wife, I have to express my concern. I have known and worked with many homosexual people in my many jobs as a civilian and I can say that Homosexuals, like all other people, come in many shapes and sizes. Some are unpredictable and whiny while others are just hardworkers trying to make a living. Homosexuality is not a healthy behavior medically, or in my belief– spiritually. But it is MY belief and I don’t presume to force it upon others. Those gays in hiding in the military right now must be doing a fine job. The military doesn’t take crap from its workers and never will. If gays have been serving all along, they should continue to do so. But by taking away DADT, you strip away a cloak from the gays. They will face descrimination and harrassment from people who aren’t tolerant and not afraid to show it. My husband’s job is hard enough as it is. I will honestly hate to see the day when his job is made harder because of in-fighting in the military ranks due to homosexuals who have either been exposed or join openly. DADT is a policy that works. “If it is not broken, don’t fix it.”

When a country begins to make laws and decisions that are not in keeping with the moral standards given to us by God from the bible( not the koran) then that country is on a downward spiral to death. The U.S. is on that downward spiral now. We are a christian country founded by christians escaping forced religion from Great Britain. Jesus and capitalism and brave men and women in and out of uniform that were willing to stand and fight for the cause of righteousness and freedom made this country great. The bible says that homosexuality is an abomination to God. But those that don’t want to change to line up with scripture either twist the scripture to try and make it say what they want it to say or they become angry at the person speaking the truth to them. Stand for Christ or fall for a lie. USN Ret.

Look at the results of the poll, that says enough! most Americans and Military don’t want gay’s in or accept, their life style. It’s just a fact ‚the Bible says it’s wrong,this country was founded on Christian beliefs like it or not ! Our country’s strength, has been it’s strong faith in CHRIST JESUS over the years and throughout history​.In the Marines we Learned God, Country, Corps​.My Faith helped me through some tough times. This President is evil, and will destroy this great land if he continues to ignor God.We must pray for this country and all who don’t believe, that will be our greatest defense and strength. GOD BLESS the USA and the MARINE CORPS, Semper Fi !!

I.m not gay or lesbian.. But God made man and woman to be together, and I won’t change my beliefs..

A Zogby International poll shows that 73 percent of military members are comfortable with lesbians and gays, and 23 percent know for sure that someone in their unit is homosexual. Attitudes may be softening, but the percentage of troops who say gays should not serve in uniform still outpaces those who say they should be allowed to serve. Only 26 percent of those polled agree that gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve in the military, with 37 percent saying they should not. Thirty-two percent were neutral on that issue, while the remaining 5 percent said they were not sure. The military is not a social expierment to see if changing this law will work. It exists to defend the United States and win wars. I have read other polls indicating similar results. Why change what has been working. I dont care what other nations have done to change there military. We are curently fighting two wars and I belive are miltary is doing an outstanding job. I suspect that one of the medics who treated me when my vehicle hit an IED in Afghanistan was gay. I appluade his service and what he did for me to help me get home. His personel life is his own. I dont need to know that he is open with his sexuallity. He has my respect.

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I agree!! GOD BLESS YOU!

just like all military service was before the repeal of the DRAFT.… the only thing that was required during the draft was you were alive, male, at least 18, and breathing!… sounds like “Special Privilege” to me, after all how many people live to 18?

God made men and women, and he made them how they are. I have to assume if God appeared and told you he loved all his children those “beliefs’ of yours would still ot change???
That’s the point fella, God made all his children, and he mandated you to love one another.
With time, and love and prayer, you too will come to see that all judgment is in his hands, not in yours.

hmmm. are you a closet gay?

two things, one, “The homosexual community has no fewer rights than anyone else, and they don’t have the right to ask for any more than anyone else, either.” yes.. they do, just look at this list, and telll me that they are not targets… and those who would protect “normal” people, may be anti-gay as well, and thus, they will get no help that “normal” people get.…

second… “I don’t shove my sexual activities in their collective face” Yeah, right… how often do you check out a woman’s rear and ask the guy standing next you you if he likes that.. have you ever made sexual jokes or “gay guy” jokes while with a group of guys? if there were 10 or more of you, chances are you just shoved your self-righteous anti-gay thoughts down their throat.

Aha! Now we have a picture of the military man most civilians have as a stereotype. Not a positive one at that.

I hasten to assure those I run into that you/this is not the common picture, that the military does tend to attract this stereotype but just in a minority.

do tell, how were you “As a straight person personally affected by gays in the military?” would that mean you liked it?

hey straight homophobe, I am straight and don’t want your bible thumping, narrow minded nondeviating behaviour forced down my throat as “mainstream”… there is no way the minority is right just because they carry a bible.

hmmmm… you are afraid of someone looking at your butt in the shower that might actually do something about it… makes me wonder if, since you know the shower is for checking out the other guy’s butts, if you are just afraid you will NOT be the one they would want

“if people wanna be gay whatever…but dont be flamboyant!!! dont be all weirdo…its gonna cause only trouble… they are gonna get beat up…believe me.”

what brainwashed stupidity.… NO ONE deserves to be beat up because they are different.…. wierdo and flamboyant.… hmmm… have you looked at some of the ways the anti gay christian “right” have fought the gays? seems pretty wierd and flamboyant even to other anti gay christian right people!

It is noted that president Obama has political bills to pay after being elected. Nothing novel there. Too bad he has over-extended himself on this promise.

There are a myriad of moral, social, and psychological issues involved with forcing a huge majority of heterosexuals to support living and fighting in indescribably close quarters with the immoral, sexual deviancy of a small percentage of the citizenry. The <1% of the population which bear arms on behalf of the 99% are asked to give up nearly every shred of privacy ( example: 100+ sailors living in a honeycomb style berthing compartment with 5 or 6 shower heads for all).

All Americans will be diminished if this sham of political bill-paying wags the national defense dog. Last time I checked, the constitutionally protected right to do immoral, sexually deviant acts (check with all the monotheistic faiths) in the privacy of a private dwelling, doesn’t extend to forcing heterosexuals to embrace gay/lesbian bedroom partners. Those 100+ sailors sleep in the same bedroom.

please quote where you get your facts… and from a non religious site, it is easy to prove your point by throwing out numbers and facts that are supported by your side or just off the top of your head.

Going along with your scenario we shall have to add the following to the list of other bads:
Your nonsense about God ‘coining’ the word love. Divorce, (no matter the abuse you must stick with it) the 50% of us that cheat on spouses, contraception in any form, (no sex if you can’t get pregnant) subserviance to one’s husband (if it’s the old testament your stuck on) you get the picture.

Now if the Christ Jesus (new testament) is truly your example than your way of base about knowing his ways. If you recall (unless your reading the bastardized version of his words) he came to correct/educate the Rabbis of the time. You do know they were the teachers of the old testament, don’t you? So redeem yourself, humble yourself, and truly follow the path of love and acceptance of all God’s children.

As a Gay Veteran (USAF), and a Gay Christian man, and proud American who still serves our country in my civilian job, let me inform you of what our ‘gay agenda’ includes:

1. Equality!!! Nobody is forcing anything on you or anyone else in this country. I and hundreds of thousands of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Americans have served this country proudly and with distinction and many serve today. It’s thanks to OUR SERVICE that you have YOUR rights to spout off such hate. We can agree to disagree on many issues and live with mutual respect and civility in this country that we all love. Again, our ‘gay agenda’ as so many put it is nothing more that the freedoms and equality that so many LGBT military servicemembers have fought and died for over the long history of America. God Bless This Country, and God Bless You with some compassion, knowledge, and peace. Ask yourself “What Would Jesus Do?” Think He would spout off such hate and intolerance or Love and Acceptance?

“Those who feel the need to force their homosexuality up the noses of heterosexuals, those gays who will cause trouble”

hmmm look at this list and paraphrase for a minute.…

ose who feel the need to force their heterosexuality up the noses of homosexuals, those straights who will cause trouble

Guess I had no idea how many true neanderthals there were in the service. I can only hope it’s the old ones dying out that make up the preponderance of this type. Pray God the younger ones are smarter than those they are replacing.

But it IS spelled out in a DOCUMENT… DOMA… “marriage is the union of a MAN and a WOMAN” and in anti gay rights bills “Same sex couples are prohibited from Marriage” and that sodomy is a misdemeanor in most cities.…

“Sexual expression is giving by God”

I assume you mean “given by god” and if so, it is rather pompous of you to assume you know exactly what god intended of that.… and still intends, yes, you have your little book you base your decisions on„ but have you ever read your little book with true desire to understand, instead of using passages to prove whatever point you want to make?

“No amount of politically-skewered “reports” by politically ambitious military bureaucrats is going to change the fact that average joes are overwhelmingly opposed to repealing the ban”

hmmm just politically-skewered “reports” by politically ambitious homophobes????

I served in the military, and can tell you, when I had to use common showers, I was just too exhausted to CARE who was in the shower with me, there could have been twenty guys in the shower banging each other, 20 women with strapons doing the same, and 40 straight couples, and I would not have cared.… I just wanted to be clean and in my bunk sleeping… if you were in the shower and afraid of gays, maybe you were not so dirty or tired???

adding an electric guitar and the horn section to this bible thumping tirade, if it really is going to be worth anything hear, we have to kick up the beat…

wow dude have you ever met a gay guy… they dont all act like that… and the ones who do would never even consider joinin the military and rollin around in dirt and humpin how many miles at a time all the trainin we had to do… c’mon dude .… i hate its rainin men/ most gay guys dont show pda/ ive never met anyone whos worn leather chaps/ i dont “gay speak” and that would be the day when i wear hot pants… there not all who you think they are… they as the same as i jus wanted to serve OUR COUNTRY WE ALL LIVE IN…

First, we don’t need to know and don’t want to know if you are gay or straight. That is your business. That does not need to be advertised any more than a straight person’s sex life. I hope that, you get to serve openly, you will not expect special privileges, that you will earn your promotions and awards,not received them due to some quota, like affirmative action. During my years of service, I knew several gays, I did not turn them in. They did their job, and did not try to force their sexuality on anyone. I don’t think that would happen. The smart thing to do is keep it to yourself. Remember this: Any man who stands with me in battle; is my brother.

let the law drop, even my DS made comments referring to us as homosexuals to make us feel degraded. way too many times, I heard fellow straight vets cracking sexual jokes and innuendo including my command staff, it was expected and “normal”

this makes me worry about having a gay or lesbian or transgendered person in my unit, because they are so scared of us that I am not sure they would trust us during combat, and thus I can’t trust them.… it is a two way street…

secondly, I supported someone who was gay, and slightly butch, in the military.… because I did, I became the target of hatred, fear, and no longer trusted my fellow soldiers.….. hmmm… Nazi Germany seems to have similarities here.…

how about something from our own country from one of our past presidents

“The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself”

since you are good with precents of the population… if gays are only 2.5% as you say, what is the precent of those who have aids? those who are straight and have aids? those who are for the removal of the ban? those who are anti gay and are in fact, harboring their own homosexual attractions, child molestors in the church who have been caught, and of those, who have been expelled, and sent to prision?

here here, good show old chap… while we are relating choices, lets ban all transplant surguries, after all it was a choice of one sort or another, that got them to the point of needing it, oh, and transfusions, that is choice based too, even if you were shot, you CHOSE to go out and CHOSE where to go to get shot.… hey, while we are at it, why dont we just ask who wants to CHOSE what, and sort em all out now? sure, we can get plenty of people all sorted into neat little groups, ask the murders to stand up, and all those who we dont like to stand up on the other side and let them sort it out!!!

“Here is the answer; people can say they are reincarnated, this would make it legal.”

hmmm paraphrasing

god made us the way they were…
“people can say they are christian and going to heaven, this would make it legal.”

hmmm christianity is a “alternative lifestyle” by your definition, veteran affairs is an “alternative lifestyle”, as are clubs, discussion groups, etc… why dont we just include freedom of thought, that is not specifically mentioned in the documents of this country, so why dont we just arrest everyone that is not thinking like the straight, republican, white, christian, normal people.

ummm, last I checked, you don’t have to be married, you just have to perform a biological act to have a child.… or just go to your local fertility clinic that has donor products to help out.…

case closed

actually not closed.… how about all those men and women out there who are sterile for one reason or another, are their marriages still legal because they can no longer have kids and kids are what marriage is legaly for???

HAH! safe in the military???? I was safe in the military… could not go to front lines… safe!!!… until the ship I was on was hit, and I took shrapnel in my back.…

safe in the military… yeah… I would much rather deal with a carpet muncher’s come ons than pieces of metal invading my body!

ummm been in the military at all? think about it… men and women serve together, but have different living arrangements…

if the dont ask dont tell is removed, you could still get in deep trouble for hitting on anyone inappropriatly in the military… just ask two guys that made me uncomfortable when we were in the messhall… the col had them up against the UCMJ wall in no time!

so true, so sad,

while we are at it, lets start banning books, censoring tv and movies, stifling creative thought, put girls back in dresses, no pants for them!, lets also teach them that all they should hope for is to be a good housewife, and to mind their master, er husband…

hmmm anti-christain? what if you are NOT christian.… there is supposed to be freedom of religion in this country.… why dont you just move to a fundamentalist country if you dont like it.… that is, after all, your choice… or hey, just join the people up in Pennsylvania, they are so religious, they have no electricity and everyone is EXTREMELY straight laced… or if that is not to your liking, look for a new version of the branch dividians…

there are always options

Here we go again! Why is everything the president’s fault? When are we going to get together an vote all of the theives, sex-maniacs, and tax-dodgers out of congress? President Obama hasn’t even been in office a full year, but the ills of the whole country are his fault. What about the last two numchucks we had for presidents? One lied continuiously even though he couldn’t speak the king’s english, and the one before that was a dope-smoking, draft-dodging womanizer who got himself impeached! Now we have an intelligent, articulate, family-man, who’s trying to get a few things done and he’s constantly being attacked. Hmm! I wonder if could be because he’s BLACK!!??

There are heterosexual people around that I don’t care to know what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. I don’t hear them going around proclaiming to “sodomists”, or “cunnilinguists”! When someone says they’re GAY I now have a vision of two men or two women having sex together. It’s not my business and I don’t want to know about it. So ge happy being “GAY”. Just don’t tell me about it, because I don’t want to know! Is that too much to ask?

It doesn’t bother me if you’re a gay or lesbian in the military. It does bother me if you choose to wave your sexuality in my face or my children’s faces. I served in the Navy with several “polite” gays and lesbians. I trusted them to do their job as well as anyone else, but they kept their sexuality in the privacy of their own bedrooms and didn’t discuss it openly. I didn’t discuss or advertise my sexuality openly either. I detest those that feel they have the right to parade their sexuality openly and wave it around like it was the equivalent to public displays of patriotism. Keep it in the bedroom where it belongs, just like “polite” heterosexuals do.

Actually 10% of the population is homosexual. I have been unable to substantiate your claim that homosexuals commit 33.3% of all molestation. Perhaps you should cite your references instead of making up numbers.

CPT U.S.MC

I was a SP4 in Panama back in 1974 and worked for a gay SP5 who told me that if I didn’t go along with his advances that he would hurt me on my EER. I reported this threat to my Commander and they moved him to Battalion, so don’t be so naive Captain. Our military cannot afford to repeal “Don’t ask, Don’t tell”, and if the President thinks that repealing the law is the right thing to do, he won’t win a second term because I won’t vote again for him.

Retired Soldier

Michael,

The readers are not trying to make you less of a man, you are by choosing that lifestyle. If I had it my way I would go back to the original policy of zero tolerance on homosexuality; which is the right thing to do for a military organization.

The first American Marine injured in OIF, Sgt Eric Alva, had his leg blown off protecting his fellow troops. He got his Purple Heart from Pres. Bush at Walter Reed. He’s gay, his fellow troops knew it, no problem. Real Men aren’t afraid nor prejudiced about fellow American soldiers who are black, white, gay, Babtist, Jewish or whatever. FYI: 78% of Americans, including Republicans, believe gay Americans should be allowed to choose to volunteer to serve their country, openly. It is ignorant immature little bigots who cannot even respect the integrity of fellow soldiers who are of a diffrent gender (women), or a different race or religion or orientation who do no deserve to wear our proud American uniform which represents Freedom and Liberty.

The people who are against repealing DADT are the people who would have been against allowing black people to do more in the US military than cook and clean: mouth-breathing idiots who couldn’t get real jobs so they signed up to shoot at Commies (of course, now the ‘bad guys’ are Muslims, but the rhetoric is the same). The military has continued to be racist, sexist, and homophobic long past times when educated people have realized how backwards that sort of thing is.

Times change. Change with them or get left behind. Personally, I have no idea why a smart young man like Daniel Choi, for example, doesn’t want to do something to make the world better, instead of making it worse by being a part of our corrupt and mindless military system — but the fact that he is being denied opportunities because of his sexuality is ridiculous and anti-American. I don’t know if any of you gun-toting Bible-beaters have ever actually read the Constitution, but I suggest checking out the 14th amendment. That whole “equal protection” thing? Yeah.

PS: Gays “flaunting” their sexuality pisses you off? Fine, never mention your spouse in public again, and get rid of any family photos you keep on your desk at work, because I don’t want a mental image of straight people having sex. Keep your sexuality in your bedroom where it belongs.

Oh, and to add to my previous comment — I’m an African-American lesbian who spent 12 years in the Navy as an officer after I got my bachelor’s degree, because I was under the impression that the purpose WAS to make the world better. Unfortunately, I was mistaken. I’ve experienced the racism, sexism, AND homophobia in our military first-hand — along with the corruption.

People do not choose to be gay any more than people choose to be straight. I would like to see those of you posting comments back up your allegations with legitimate peer reviewed research instead of twisted research. I would also like to see you make these comments face to face to a gay person. Are you really that cruel? Gays do NOT have the same rights as straight people. They cannot marry the person they love, they can be fired simply for being gay, they can be denied housing simply for being gay. As for AIDS, that is a minority of men and plenty of men who have sex with other men go home and give HIV to their wives. I know about 100 gay people. None have AIDS, many are in long term committed relationships and all are hard working, law abiding, decent citizens. Pedophilia is not related to sexual orientation, it is an inability to form normal adult relationships.

Gay people are beaten, bullied, killed due to words like yours. I am straight, I support my gay friends and I will challenge anyone to give me a truly factual and logical reason why gays and lesbians do not deserve equal rights. We are all human.

The military is the most dicriminating employer around. You can’t be fat, or sick, or handicapped, or gay. Well, you can be gay if you “don’t tell”. So SHHHHHHHHH. Button those lips!

Maybe if they let them in service they can keep them in one type unit where no one but G&Ls serve. Now, that would give them their equal rights. What really worries me with Gays in the military was many were severely injured by straight men and in turn the gays got kicked out but the straight got courts-martial.

I’m retired Active Duty, Navy and Marines, and served both enlisted and as a chaplain. I knew gays at every command I served– not one was a problem to the command. Anyone having sex on duty, or hitting on somone else, gay or straight, needs to be dealt with ASAP. What people do off duty and in private is their own business. As a chaplain, I saw more problems with straight males unable to keep from harassing women on duty than I ever saw from gays… they were smart enough to take it off base. If the conservatives want to make sex an issue, start with ANY sex outside marriage… put on report everyone who has sex ‚gay or straight, outside of lawful marriage. [Or let Congress do the logical thing and let those people of this generation who are willing to fight, kill and perhaps die for their nation do so without asking what they do off-duty, and let those vets who got out years ago stop making the same arguments against gays in the service as I remember hearing about women and blacks from earlier generations. Racism, sexism, homophobia… all of it hurts our country, and goes against what America (and Christ) is all about.]

I don’t believe they’re Gods children. Furthermore, they’re going against Gods word in the bible by conducting themselves in a homosexual manner.

Don’t Ask Just Beat up the Fags, Kick them Out & Replace them with Felons & Fascists remains in force today because of the Heterosupremacist Tyrannical TheocRATs like the Bronze Age sun revolves around the flat earth bible thumpers who think their god gives them the right to deny equal constitutional rights to anyone they don’t agree with, approve of, accept or tolerate. Sounds like the Taliban.

Are you proud that qualified gay men and lesbians in the military are discharged and replaced with felons who are raping women in the military? Are you proud that qualified gay men and lesbians are discharged and replaced with White Supremacists (like you)? Are you proud that heterosexuals in the military are torturing their commrades in arms to out them? Are you proud that discharging soldiers who speak the languages of the people in Iraq and Afghanistan are discharged, putting the heterosexual members of their units in harm’s way?

Why don’t you take your bible and shove it down your own throat and choke on it.

According to the scriptures, eating shellfish is also an abomination — I hope you haven’t had lobster recently, you may burn in hell for it!

AIDS are the problem. The problem with homosexuality is immorality that leads to other type of dieses. The immorality that you pointed out doesn’t justify our government’s right not to allow men or women that openly states they want to humble another man or be humbled by one. One of the primary reasons for not having men and women on the same battle field is due to the obvious activity of sexual intercourse. If a man desire another man what is to stop that type of spirit from accomplishing its goal.

I’ve been on active duty for 17 years and can’t think of a single occasion where I have ever had to shower in the company of someone else. Where do people get the idea that the military is one big communal shower?

In the church where I grew up, I was taught that lying was a pretty substantial sin. Yet, all the Christians seem to be OK with a federal policy that requires servicemembers to lie and deceive their chain of command about who they are. We already have a bad culture of lying in the service — lying about readiness to pass inspections, lying about cost overruns in weapons programs, lying about mishaps where troops get killled, etc. Let’s put an end to the culture of lying in the military and allow our soldier, sailors, and airmen to tell the truth.

I didn’t ask/tell you to change your beliefs i just asked you open your eyes and notice that you are in the 21st century. You just need to realize that we did not make this choise GOD made it for us.

The current policy requires soldiers, sailors, and airmen to lie about who they are and deceive their chain of command. DADT is contrary to the values that most of our services claim to uphold. In addition, the rest of society has moved on and it is no longer socially acceptable to be in the closet in many of the communities where our servicemembers live. Our servicemen and women are now in the unfortunate position of not being completely accepted in the gay community where being out is now the norm as well as not being accepted within the military family. It is a sad circumstance that must be corrected.

I would like the ability for my partner to meet me on the pier when my ship returns from an overseas deployment. I would like the ability for my partner to be recognized for the sacrifices he makes, just like we recognize the sacrifices of all the other military families. I would like for my partner to be notified in the event that I am killed on the battlefield. I would like to acknowledge the existence of my partner when he is sick, transferring jobs, or going through any number of normal life circumstances that I hear about day in and day out when it comes to the spouses of my co-workers. I would like to take my partner to command functions and interact with other military families. I would like to stop lying to my chain of command about what I did over the weekend, who I had dinner with last night, and why I am not seeing anyone special even though I am.

If you don’t like social engineering, then you should be in favor of DADT repeal. Almost every corporation in America now offers some sort of same sex partner benefit and welcomes gay and lesbian employees. In many communities, gay and lesbians are no longer living underground lives, and it is actually socially unacceptable to be in the closet. The military is now acting the opposite of regular society — and in effect conducting a social experiment to see how long it can remain out of touch with the real world.

IF homosexuals were permitted to serve in the military, and IF they could find a clergy person willing to perform a marriage ceremony for them (and such certainly exist) then yes, there would be gay weddings in the chapel.

For the record, there’s not really any such thing as a “military wedding.” Weddings are religious services, conducted according to the religious traditions and rules of the minister who presides at the service. There are no military rules about who can or cannot be married. As a religious matter, neither the military nor Congess can regulate it, and as a matter of civil law, only Congress and states can regulate it, not the military.

DADT is not a policy that works. Gays and lesbians no longer live underground lives in the shadows. Being out is now the norm, and not the anomaly. Gay and lesbian servicemembers find themselves in a difficult position where they are not accepted in the gay community where being closeted is shunned and they are not accepted in the military community where they cannot tell the the truth about who they are. As a result, we lose thousands of capable soldiers who are either kicked out after not being able to tell the lies anymore or they choose not to re-enlist for the same reasons. The policy is immoral and needs to be eliminated. Gays and lesbians should not be required to lie in order to serve. Lying is contrary to all of the military values that are taught from the first day in boot camp.

Currently American soldiers sleep, eat, worship and fight along side coalition troops — which are openly gay. The only exception in the coaltion is Turkey — ALL other coalition troops got rid of these types of policies.
There are MANY gay soldiers currently in the military that you’re already working with. If your perception of them of changes because you found out they were gay, that says more about you than it does about them.

Both the Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell law and the UCMJ’s sodomy law are unconstitutional.

Consensual same-gender sexual activity is no longer illegal in any of the USA’s States and Territories. All laws related to making consensual same-sex sexual activity, aka “sodomy,” were declared invalid no matter what they were called. In Oklahoma, they put same-sex activity in with the “Crimes Against Nature” law section.

Being gay or lesbian goes far beyond just the simple description of a sex life. Just like heterosexual soldiers have spouses and children that are part of the military family, gay and lesbian servicemembers have partners that would like to be recognized as well. No one is asking to earn a special award or promotion — but it would be nice to have your partner at your side when you earn that award or promotion just like the rest of your peers.

Contrary to what some people think, there is no such word that can be translated as “sodomite” in the Hebrew or Greek Texts of the Scriptures. “Sodomy” is not even literally nor figuratively in the original language versions. The KJV Bible mistranslated the Hebrew word for a “holy” person, place or thing not connected with the Jewish religion as “sodomite.” But, when the word was used to refer to someone, place or thing connected with the Jewish religion, they properly translated it.

In every place that the word “sodomite” appears in the King James Version Bible, the reiigion in question is that of the Canaanites, who lived in the country of Canaan which later became Israel. Sodom was not even in the country of Canaan. It was a city-state in the Plain of Jordan on the East side of the Jordan River.

Did you ever bring your children to command functions, picnics, your promotion ceremony? Did you take your wife to a military ball? Was your spouse a part of the family support group? When your unit returned from deployment, was your family there to greet you? Did you go shopping with your family at the base exchange or commissary?

Are these the kinds of activities that you would consider as “waving your sexuality in my face?” These are all activities that gay and lesbian servicemembers are denied. When a gay or lesbian servicement is killed on the field of battle, the partner is usually the last one to get the call. It’s a horrible way to treat people and we need to change this policy now.

Well, i guess the military could form the pooper troopers now! GAYS SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE MILITARY!

God created man in his own image and he created adam and eve, a male and femail. No male to male or femail to femail. I do not agree with people being gay. It is a choice.

Actually, heterosexuals commit more than 97% of all sexual child molesting. It has been documented that the remaining percentage are exclusively homosexual in their sexual orientation; but, even then, the majority of that minority have mental problems and they think they are the same age as the boys with whom they have sex.

Anti-Christian? There are Christian denominations that have no problem with homosexuality. But let me guess, you don’t get out of your small town much– so you probably wouldn’t know that.

Ask 100 gay people if they chose to be gay. I can guarantee you all 100 did not. You are just another uninformed bigot who doesn’t even know a gay person.

Please don’t talk about what you don’t even know.

Yeah, because that poll is REALLY scientific. Good God, did any of you even graduate high school?

yes.. excellent Point. I would be labelled “intolerent” .. but the truth is I echo the same attitude as likely a good portion of the US. You want to do your bf? Fine… do it and be done with it.. but do NOT tell me I have to like it, accept it, or give you special rights because your chosing to be an outlyer in society. Same with Drug users. What? We need to give permission to use drugs since SOME chose to?? Same as fraternization.. same as alot of things that a FRINGE and minority espouse.. but that does NOT mean “I” have to accept it as ‘normal”. Do your stuff in your bedroom.(your bf, your neighbors wife, your dog.. whatever) … Keep your mouth shut.. and everything will be JUST FINE. You go cramming it down our throats and you will get backlash. Pretty simple.

No.. you have your permission to be in the military. You have your right to serve your country honorably. You have your right to die for your country. You have your right to do what you want in the privacy, and outside the eyes of everyone.….….….….….….….….but its NOT enough. You want to have the right to broadcast your choice, and try to force acceptance.

Its no different than PDA of a guy and girl. you dont do it. You dont Kiss. You dont Hug. You dont show PDA.….……you dont ASK .. you dont TELL.…

Why the HELL should you be treated any differently. You shouldnt. You got your right to serve. Same as a heterosexual. But no.….….….…thats NOT enough.

And he does.. just like you. I think the fact that people CAN serve with honor, with valor, with dignity, with dedication.. is TOTALLY lost. They can do it TODAY. YOU did it. And its appreciated.

But change it where I HAVE to allow you to openly serve? I will disagree with. I would question how the policy is the reason for the sailors choice of blackmailing him. Because a sailor choses to blackmail another (gambling, stealing, whatever).. that policy against that action is to blame?? The POLICY is what gives the other person the tool to blackmail, or the action against the policy and ultimately the choice of the other to USE the policy for HIS gain. So if a sailor is caught with drugs, and someone blackmails him.. and he commits suicide, we need to change the policy from zero tolerance to “well.. let them do it because someone may get caught breaking it, and another may try to blackmail him”.

Gays can serve. Keep it underwraps. Keep it out of societies face. and everything will be fine. Same as Screwing around on your wife.. same as making out with your gf (no PDA). Theyre rules you can (and obviously DID) live by.

Thanks for your service.. a fellow Sailor.

Wow.
So I serve.
I can’t speak about what I did over the weekend. I have to change some pronouns, can’t bring my “special someone” to command functions, or if I do they’re just “a friend”. They have no benefits, if I’m injured or missing they will not be notified. If I am killed they will not receive any death benefit. Oh and if I’m seriously ill they can’t even see me, because they have no base privileges and are not even recognized by our military dependent system.

Why do I stay, because I love this country and will defend her with all my might.

Sometimes my heart is torn when I see a friend leave because they can’t take it anymore… sometimes I’m envious because they were able to walk away and be true to themselves. Sometimes I’m scared… because my fellow comrades in arms might turn on me next if they found out who I am.

I had a buddy tell me it was a choice.… Would you choose to live this way… be the butt of dirty jokes, have to hide your true feelings, not have any recognition of your love of another. I don’t think anyone could.

It would be interesting to know how this would affect our military presence anywhere. What if for one day gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered soldiers went on a sanctioned strike? What would happen if veterans were able to be anonymously polled to ascertain their then and/or present sexual orientation. Historically, those with money have been able to opt out of the service by means of sending others in their place. Would this be an option for GLBT people committed to peace by any means necessary? If the military became completely queer or even queer friendly, would it be unable to kill as many people for peace around the world? Finally, was the military really ruined with the induction of Blacks, Indians, Asians, Latinos and women?

It seems to me that most of the gays don’t mind the DADT policy. It looks like there are just a few groups of gays that really want this rule changed.
I agree that gays can be as able-bodied as a straight and can perform their duties as well as any other soldier, so I say let the rule ride and just quit worrying about it. Let’s worry about the real problems facing this country that can destroy all of us, gays and straights alike.

You can call “boy lovers” anything you want, but the fact they like to get screwed in the butt-hole is still a fact…It is not the “NORM” (with any species), therefore, it is adnormal. I wonder if a bunch of lesbians would object to strange men sharing their shower rooms?? As a veteran of 25 years, I can promise you that this particular social engineering of our troop ranks will only create the biggest drop in morale the military has ever experienced.… NOT to mention a balloon Aids problem, a family housing problem, etc, etc.… TO BE CONTINUED

AND, by the way!! men and women are very different whether you want to believe it or not. In the push for “equal rights,” These idiot politicians have placed mothers with children in harms way, and for that, they ought to be horse whipped!!! I venture to say that when it comes to choosing a “Fighting Army,” any smart person would choose an “All Male,” rather than, an “All Female” Army… Swallow your pride if you must, but, you’d be a fool not to choose the fighting spirit of an “All Male” Army… Someone has convince women that they are equal to men in every respect, and that is no more of a truth, than, to say men are equal to women in every respect. By the way!! homosexuals are “not men” either!!!

Hits a little too close to home, or homo, as the case may be, huh? No one is forcing a gay lifestyle on you. You might need to seek some counseling to deal with your repressed homosexual urges which are the basis for your homophobia.

he’s worried because he has an ugly butt and doesn’t want anyone to see it.

What happened with your grammar and punctuation? Did you miss that in school? Try using some periods and learn how to spell before making a fool of yourself on a public board.

No one is asking you to like it, accept it or give us special rights. We want the same rights as every other American and we want to be able to walk down the street without having to worry about being beat up or killed by you homophobes. I don’t care who you screw or what you do in your bedroom. Why are you concerned about what goes on in mine? How does what I do in my personal life affect your life? Not that you’ll understand this, but being gay is NOT a choice. Who would choose to live a life where society hates you and you have to be in fear for your life just because of who you are? Do you think this is a choice? Did you choose to be a heterosexual?

“Anelder,” your ignorance surpasses your forum name. Do you really even know who “God’s Children” are??? Maybe you are or maybe you are not, but, we are not all children of God!!! You do more harm to the gospel of Christ, espousing that we are all, when on the contrary, Christ called the religious leaders of His day “Children of the devil,” because they were unwilling to receive Him.……

I hope you remember your Christianity when you’re out there hating gay people. Feel good about yourself this Sunday in church

I served in the Marine Corps knowning about the ban on homosexuals in the military. I’m a gay male and as such I DO NOT support lifting the ban. The military serves one purpose: to deliver states violence, military service is a priviledge and NOT a right. The current policy ought to be kept in place, but changes ought to be made. Specifically what SecDef Gates suggested, not kicking gays out who were outted because of a vandetta or lover dispute.

Very good and to the point. The further we go away from Gods word the worse the nation gets. Why don’t folks open their eyes to what this nation is doing. Just look at what 40 years or so of social action has done to the character of this land. No God in schols, no God in government, no God in families equal no country one of these days.

Hello, I am a geologist and I am going to be your doctor today. What’s that you say? Geologists don’t know anything about administering health care? But I’m an AMERICAN geologist, which clearly makes me a master of all the sciences, even medicine. Still not buying it? Good.

This is the same type of illogical argument many of you are making. If you aren’t gay and have never had a gay friend in your life, how on earth could you possibly be a reliable source when it comes to speaking about gays? That’s like a geologist teaching medicine. The source simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about, thus his opinion on the topic is erroneous.

At the time no one wanted Black men in the Military , then it was women. Most did not think, it was good for the Military. or the country Our President Signed the Papers and it happened. Now we all get along. and that is the same thing that will happen. when Gay are allowed. Ask anyone In the and all the other other Military’s around the world. When it comes to Gay’s in the military the US is in Last Place, around the world.

I guess our President Obama never served in the military or had a queer room-mate. Am I right? Maybe if he had he would be singing a different tune. I suppose a gay man never hit on him. He probably has no clue about how some lower enlisted have to live together in tiny BEQ Rooms’ and sometimes shower together. Maybe, someone should ask him how he would feel about his daughter, Malia having to share such a small room with a “Bull Dyke” who constantly hits on her. He better remember that most military members’ are somebody’s sons’ and daughters’. He is always preaching and promoting family values’. To want this law is just plain wrong. I’m glad that I am out of the military now.

After reading page after page of comments on this issue I have come to the follwing conclusions: some of you are extremely ignorant, some of you are extremely passionate, and some of you can’t freaking spell! If you want to use your religious convictions as a way to justify your homophobic attitudes, that’s fine. The problem for most of you is that your convictions are skewed. You condem homosexuality and say that it would undermine your ability to function effectively as a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine, but you have no problem serving next to the guy who actively cheats on his wife during each deployment. I’m pretty sure that in Exodus 20:17 God commands that “you shall not covet your neighbors wife.”

Furthermore, I would challenge those of you with these same religious convictions to re-read the latter parts of the book of Exodus and pay particular attention to God’s laws. There are more than a few of these laws that we as Americans have relegated to antiquity in order to function as a capatalistic society. If you need proof of this, consider the fact that most retailers do a majority of their sales on Saturdays and Sundays. That’s right, the Sabbath! Now my Old Testament Class was last semester, but I’m pretty sure that another of God’s commandments was to “remember the Sabbath by keeping it holy (Exo. 20:8).” That means you should be using that time to worship, not mow your grass or make a run to Wal-mart.

On to the issue of ignorance. Globally, HIV is considered a heterosexual disease. While it is true that there are a disproportionate number of gay men and women living with the disease in the US, the same cannot be said for many other nations. AIDS has become a pandemic on the African continent where it is spread primarily through unprotected, heterosexual intercourse. Unfortunately, the governments of many of these African nations cannot afford to educate their populations on the dangers of HIV/AIDS and the proper methods by which to prevent the spread of the disease. Our nation, however, can afford to educate its population. Sure HIV is on the rise in both hetero and homosexuals, but so are other STDs such as herpes, chlamydia, and HPV. Some attribute this rise to our nation’s focus on abstinence rather than safe sex over the course of the last eight years, but who cares.

Sex with random partners is inherently dangerous regardless of your sexual orientation. That being said, the blood you get from your straight battle buddy is just as likely to be tainted as the blood you may obtain from your gay battle buddy. When was the last time you asked your straight best friend if he had been tested for HIV after having a one night stand? I was a soldier for nearly a decade, and yes I’m gay. I left the military because it was not conducive to my decision to enter into a monogamous relationship with another man. I’m not flamboyant, I never tried to sneek a peak at my fellow soldiers genitalia, and I damn sure didn’t consider my sexuality as being grounds for any kind of special treatment. I was a soldier. I served in accordance with the Uniformed Code of Military Justice and demanded that my suboordinates do the same.

That of course brings me to my final point. The UCMJ and the policies inspired by it apply to every member of our armed forces whether they be straight or gay. This includes the myriad of laws and policies governing harassment, EEOC, personal conduct, etc. As a result, gay soldiers are no more likely to cop a feel or look you up and down than are straight soldiers. In fact, many other western countries allow openly gay men and women to serve in their armed forces, and none of them have experienced a negative impact on overall readiness. What’s more, many of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines serve along side these foreign service members in Iraq and Afghanistan everyday. Would any of you ever consider calling one of the Brits or Israeilis a fag? I would hope not because he would probably knock you on your ass.

Anyways, the bottom line is that we have been serving amongst you for years, and allowing us to serve openly really isn’t going to change the character of that service. Sure there will be growing pains, but there always are. I hated the berret, but I dealt with it, and over time I even got used to the notion of wearing the damn thing. In the late 80s and early 90s the introduction of women into some specialties traditionally reserved for men created quite the scandal, but in time this change became widely accepted. So too will be the case with homosexuals. No one says that you have to like it, but you will have to accept it should you choose to continue to pursue your military career. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a lifestyle, and it isn’t a disease. It’s who we are and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let anyone discriminate against me or question my committment to this great nation because of it!

OK„,here’s the deal. President Obama used to teach Constitutional Law. Therefore, he knew he could not change the policy and that Congress had to do it. Therefor, his promise to change the law was just hogwash. Hes a great cheerleader and one heckuva public speaker but, so far its been all show and no go. Even SNL had a skit about it.

One thing that people never seem to get around to thinking about is WHY the hell do gays want the so-called “discrimination” against homosexuality to end in the Military. The purpose of the the military is to defend the American people. That means killing people. And what the hell does killing people have to do with your sexual orientation?

The “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Policy” is perfect for the military because it gives military officials the opportunity to place the issue in its right place: Out Of Mind. You join the military to protect America, Not to find a bunch of naked guys to hit on.

America’s military is entirely composed of volunteers. Nearly 60% of military personnel say that they will resign if the DADT policy is changed.

Therefore, one can infer that the people who want DADT revoked are people who will NEVER join the military themselves, and simply want to push their liberal agenda forward.

Here is the issue. Sexual relationships should not be discussed at the work place Gay or straight. In the military we have a task/mission to complete every day. This is not a place to discuss any kind of relationships period. Therefore, Don’t ask don’t should not be rescinded. End of story.

First of all, a great journalist might actually read Title 10. The law clearly allows homosexuals to serve.

Second, a superb journalist might read the Service regulations.

Third, an extraordinary journalist might try to assess how many folks are actually discharged who are really gay.

Everyone signs they understand the military’s homosexuality policy as part of their enlistment contract. Aside from a few odd cases, most of the individuals goes to the Cdr and state they’re gay and asks to be discharged. There is no verification. They then get a ‘good’ discharge and appropriate benefits. My experience is that 90+% of these discharges are heterosexuals who simply want out of the Service.

The reality is the President can talk to the Service chiefs to change internal administrative procedures and policies to use Title 10 as written. Really no need for a new law. Problem solved.

The Supreme Court declared sodomy laws unconstitutional. Since the Constitution is the highest law of the land, it overrides the UCMJ. Therefore, the UCMJ sodomy laws are unconstitutiional as well.

There are two options as I see them:

1) Gays are allowed to serve openly in the military. Since there are already gays in the military, very little if anything changes.

2) Gays are not allowed to serve openly. Mentioning you boyfriend, significant other, etc. causes you to be dishonorably discharged. To be fair, heterosexuals must not mention girlfriends, wives, one night stands, affairs, etc else they also receive dishonorable discharges.

It has been a few years since I have served, but when I was in all the “gays” I ever saw, were dead after trying to make their move on the wrong person. A person who goes into combat or has to sleep in mass quarters must know that his fell troops are there to help protect him/her without anyother fears. It that makes me homophobic or whatever so be it. As to haveing to except “gays” in the world, I have friends on both sides, and I feel the same as I did in the service, you live your life and let me live mine, and a friend is a friend and not someone you have to be with! My God did not, as far as I have been able to understand invent “gays”, that is a human choice.

Has anyone else noticed that Military​.com has become flaming gay. Every story is about how DADT should be overturned. Do they not know who their readers are? Do they think that the military community is holding our arms open to embrace the gay lifestyle? I think they need to get back to reporting the news and keep their gay opinions to themselves. I think it’s time to unsubscribe..

I got out of the military because I couldn’t lie anymore… I love the military it truely is my passion but I had to think about my future…will My partner be able to get the benefits that the other military wives get my children who are her children won’t receive benefits because they can’t be known… If I die my partner will be the last to know as well as our children. People are missing the bigger picture… I want the same rights as any straight person in the military I want to be able to get off that ship and see my wife and kids waiting… Instead of in the car waiting for me because they must hide… I want to be able to talk about my pregnant wife and my 2 year old and what crazy things he gets into I want to be able to fight for my country without fear of a dishonorable discharge which would hurt my family financially… You tell me… Why don’t I deserve that.

The day I can do all that I will be one of the first to join back up.

I love my country and that’s that. I should be able to fight for my country and receive the same benefits as the next sailor.

There should be law to serve in Congress, one must have first served honorably in the U.S. Military for a minimum of four years. This would rid us from liberal spenders (ugh… I mean leaders… I think) who do not have a clue to military life. Then, the IDEA of gays in the military wouldn’t even be an issue. I say FIRE ALL OF WASHINGTON DC!

so because of idiots like you I have to explain to my child why no one can no that her mommies are in the military… why people must assume that she has a father… because of idiots like you my partner will be the last to know if I am killed on the battlefield… because of idiots like you I got out of the military and wont return until there are equal rights for me and MY FAMILY…

heres a clue tammi… take your time with this one babygirl sit down if need be.… this IS news…

so because of idiots like you I have to explain to my child why no one can no that her mommies are in the military… why people must assume that she has a father… because of idiots like you my partner will be the last to know if I am killed on the battlefield… because of idiots like you I got out of the military and wont return until there are equal rights for me and MY FAMILY…

what is it you called us? “Bull Dyke” well I for one dont hit on straight girls… as for MANY MANY lesbians out there… get real… if your daughter were a lesbian would you continue to talk so badly of us as you do already… I dont know what it is about you straight people that make you believe that gay people are just out to get you… lol I laugh because thats not the case… we want a normal life just like you… we want to be able to be successful and have a family and have our family get the benefits of our success.… how is that wrong again?

we aren’t asking you to like us… love us… shower with us… make out with us… have sex with us… just accept us as we are and deal with it… get over it… we dont look for random straight people to hit on nor would we start.…

I love my country.… ya know THE LAND OF THE FREE.… but yet I still feel as though Im a prisoner in my own home…

the way you speak of lesbians and gays… is the same way they used to speak of another thing that I am… AFRICAN AMERICAN… what were the types of things they would say? monkeys? n**gers? we were once that minority that you are SO AFRAID of and look how our country has turned out to be…

First let me say, I spent 22 years in the US Air Force. I’m a gulf war vet; been to many combat zones; lived in Korea for a year; and spent countless months living and showering and going to the restroom in tents all over the globe.

I can honestly say that not once did I ever wonder if another guy was looking at my butt in the shower! Trust me folks, that was the least of my worries.

This notion (mostly perpetuated by people who have never served in ANY service) that gay people, openly serving; will be the downfall of our military as we know it; are closed minded homophobes who need to STFU and go away. It’s really an argument that’s out of gas.

Let me ask you homophobes this… Why is it that our military cannot be comprised of all of the people who they are sworn to protect and defend?

Please then, don’t talk about your wife, never mention what you two do, ever. That is what gay service members have to go through. They can not talk about who they love.

I am SOOOOO glad you have retired from the military that I currently am serving!

Oh my goodness. Will you read what you just wrote? If our country was founded by christians escaping forced religion from Great Britain, what is the difference of your idea of forcing your ‘christian’ believes on everyone else? Just look at it. You talk against yourself in your own argument.

You call yourself a patriot? Wishing harm to American’s who have sworn to protect YOUR rights at the possible cost of their own lives, is pure stupidity. You’re not a patriot. You have no idea what that word means.

Sir, let me say, with the most respect for your rank, THANK GOD YOU ARE NO LONGER IN MY MILITARY!!

If you don’t like our religion, feel free to leave the country. We need to stop appeasing everyone who has a different belief fact is its america, if you don’t like our rules( Gays, illegals, Muslims, and anyone else that wants to come here and be “Different” ) Feel free to go find another country that accepts your crap. we need to stop listening to the MINORITY vote. When I grew up it was majority wins. and you didn’t get a prize for just showing up.

ROFLMAO.… Thanks Franklin! I needed a good laugh. Your post was so amazingly stupid, it was funny! I hope you used someone else’s name. Hard to believe anyone would attach their own name to something so ridiculous.

I will stand behind you and fight this sick agenda. “Now, they are NOT God’s people, just like you or I, they are Satan’s children, though God still loves them and hopes they will come away from their abominable lifestyle and be saved. ” This is a true statement because Jesus said it. No one is a child of the Spirt until they are born again. When a person is born again they will follow the righteousness of God. The scriptures state that as many as are lead by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

As I posted before, you don’t like our rules, go find another country that you can try and change. I liked America just the way it was when i grew up. then political correctness screwed up everything, Don’t like the rules of the game, go somewhere else. I’m tried of you minority scewballs ruining this country . MAJORITY WINS. I could care less if your gay, but you don’t need to flaunt it . and the rules don’t need to change, no one is stopping you from being gay, you just want it up in big neon letters for the world to see, that’s the reason you are gay to begin with cause you like the shock factor it gives people, that is why you all are not satisfied with just being able to be gay and live normal, you have to shout it from the fucking rooftops.

Then feel free to leave the country if you don’t like our rules. I hear Canada is a great place for sorry ass liberal folks. Even has that free healthcare you guys like so much, just hope you don’t mind standing in line for it..

Please don’t qoute the Bible if you do not know the Bible. Homosexuality is a sin, always has been and always will be. Sin is sin, read Jude. Many people will be destroyed for thier sin just don’t expect us to except homosexuality as normal. These are Christian beliefs and if you are not a Christian don’t worry about. But as a Christian we will pray for you.

These are the last words I ever expected from a Gunny!!
Semper Fi?

Right on!

Do you ever talk about what you and your husband/wife, boy/girl friend have done on the weekend, or on vacation, or leave? We can’t. That’s the difference.

Sorry Cpl,

But the mandatory testing is done only ONCE a year. So in that time, someone could contract a disease and give it to OTHER soldiers before it’s caught. So the yearly testing would do nothing to stop the spread of a disease…or don’t you think someone could do that within a years time?

BTW, the point is NOT that there are homosexuals in the military…by sheer volume, one would have to admit that there are. The point is whether or not they would be permitted to have sexual contact without being outed from the military. I realize that many soldiers are single…however a large percentage of military people are married with children…and would prefer their children be protected from such things. Difficult to do if it is permitted and you live onpost.

From one Master Sgt to another…“OUTSTANDING” Couldn’t be more well put!!! Thank you

Master Sgt — National Guard “Medic”

Those annoying pesky Christians, who love God and want to follow and read His word in the Bible. The audacity to speak up against ungodly and immoral behavior. How dare they want to obey God. Yes, those annoying crosses people want to put up on graves and so forth to show their faith in Jesus Christ. I wonder what God thinks of homosexuals in the military? Oh, that’s right, it’s WRONG! I wonder why this country isn’t doing so well? Could it be because we have taken God, our creator, out of everything?

Gay servicemembers are not asking for any additional rights that heterosexuals in the military already enjoy. And while sexually-charged conduct (even just flirting) is not generally allowed in the military workplace, I’m sure it happens in every mixed-gender unit, just as was the case in each of mine in the past. Heterosexual troops can bring their significant others to FRG meetings, talk with each other about their home lives, bring the people they love to the military ball, etc. So please, tell me, what rights, beyond those that heterosexual servicemembers already enjoy, are gay servicemembers demanding when they ask that they be allowed to serve openly?

We cannot justify the ban on openly-gay service in the military with religion. That would be completely unconstitutional, and doing so would be a shame upon the rest of us who have fought for constitutional freedoms. And it does not matter what the resulting morale would mean for troops; the truth is, troops are human beings who can learn new concepts, and as such can be expected to adapt to the concept of equal treatment of heterosexuals and homosexuals in the workplace.

I am a straight, white, male soldier, now coming to the end of my service. I come from a very traditional Christian upbringing in the heart of Kansas, and was raised on extreme-right radio like Rush Limbaugh. Yet I cannot understand the hatred and intolerance that so many have for people’s personal sexual preferences. My wife is bisexual, so I take it a bit personally that I constantly find myself having to crack down on inappropriate jokes about homosexuality by soldiers in the workplace. There will be no penalties for being openly gay nor openly straight, deal? By the same token, there will be zero tolerance for hostility toward either, okay? So the policy needs to be either for everyone to shut up entirely about their personal lives in the workplace, which is probably quite unrealistic in the close-knit culture of military units, or it should be that all are allowed to speak of their relationships and conduct.

I love the replies…why don’t you hetero’s keep your sexual orientation to yourselves? Every single guy I worked with at Yokota, Florrennes, Belgium, stateside made it clear and loud about his sexual prowess. Don’t denigrate and try to tell me, a gay guy, that I’m wrong for being me when every 18 to 30 year old ran around drinking beer and telling me about his sexual exploits with all the girls. And don’t think for one minute, that we are going to run around and behave like those guys. With regard to cohesion, I don’t agree with that and the latest military report that there’s NO supporting evidence to suggest that gay men or women would breach that cohesion by their presence or lifestyle. Additionally, do you really think that we’re all a bunch of guys who lisp? Who walk around like nelly girls? Who talk about all of exploits, NO! It’s not your business. So, show some respect for your fellow gay soldiers and honor what you defend…not just America, but what’s at the heart of America: The US Constitution, The Bill of Rights and “All men are created equal”. Thank you.

Let’s see. 1. Have you ever wondered that maybe gays never hit on you because it would show you that they are gay? It’s called Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell for a reason. 2. How do you know that gays have never posted huge religious symbols along the side of the road? Are you psychic and so know who’s gay and who isn’t? 3. If PDA is a problem for you, then ban it for everyone on military posts and call it a day.

BTW, just so you know, a majority of the military are religious people and do not want gays in the military who can do PDA with abandon. As for going back to their churches, they never left…and thank God they have the right to free speech same as you, so they don’t HAVE to STFU!

Have a NICE day..I sure am! :-)

Thank you for the that reply, it only enforces the false stereotypes that are associated with anyone who’s not like you. When did you choose to be straight? At what age did you choose to be straight? How did you feel when you no longer were “curious” about guys and dead set on choosing to be a heterosexual? Thank you…and thank you indicating “not trying to make you less of a man”, therefore, I should be able to be who I am when I pull the same shifts, carry the same weapon, run the same course, stand guard under the same command and offered my life in exchange for the protection of Americans, right?

Bless you for saying…I’ll calm down. :)

I just find it funny that my recruiter had no problem signing me up. I did everything that my best friends did (straight–they often told me how much they love the girls), took my orders and, now, there’s all this fuss about gays. I know the kind of men I worked with and the gay men I worked with…personally, I think no one cared about it. We drank together, ate together and, when we were south of the border in close quarters, no one was offended. I knew that what their interest were and that my interest were/are different. We paid no never mind about it. But, they didn’t discriminate and say, we like you, just don’t tell us about your boyfriend. Hissy fit over…:)

Reading through the post there are so many opinions some citing religious beliefs, health concerns, or equality. However, I don’t think that is where the complexity lie. This is a HUGE logistical issue for the military. Currently men and women are housed separately. We are not allowed in each other’s berthing or heads. How would this work with openly gay community. Would there need to be multiple changes in housing and HOW exactly would you do that exactly. I would not want to be forced to shower with my fellow male shipmates anymore than I would want some female that found my gender attractive to shower or berth with me. But you can’t give them their own berthings either. That doesn’t work. For anyone that hasn’t been in the military you don’t know; you don’t know how very little privacy you get and the privacy you DO get you don’t want invaded. I support the DADT, what I don’t know doesn’t hurt me (cont’d)

(cont’d) I HAVE served with women that I knew to be gay and yes it was just weird when it came to the berthing situation. Other than that they were exemplary in their duties; that is not where the question lies. Nobody doubts that one’s capability is not based on their sexuality. We know that is not the case. But there are other things to consider here!

Dude, you too, read the OP: “We are a christian country founded by christians escaping forced religion from Great Britain. Jesus and capitalism and brave men and women in and out of uniform that were willing to stand and fight for the cause of righteousness and freedom made this country great.”

You two are arguing for USA to be exactly like Great Britain, where the founding fathers escaped from. You make no sense.

Do you REALLY obey God? Do you work or travel at all on the Sabbath? Do you allow your wife to speak in church? Do you wear two different types of cloth? Did you have pre-marital sex? All of these are God’s laws and are equally important, but do you follow them all? You like most other conservative Christians attemptt to use the word of God to justify your biggotry and instead only succeed in portraying your own hipocrasy.

The military only needs so many matching curtains and wallpaper, there are jobs in the civilian world. We dont need discipline and order to suffer due to their deviant life style.

Homosexuality is a sin, but so is pre-marital sex. Should we ban soldiers from entering or remaining in the military because they have had sex out of wedlock? What about soldiers who allow their wives to speak in church or who wear two different kinds of cloth, should we discriminate against them as well? God explicitly forbids ALL of these things and yet you choose to care about only one of them. I’ll pray for you as well!

Ok if we are to have openly gay personnel in the military they will require separate berthing. If it’s ok for a gay person to shower in the open shower units with me then it should be ok for me to shower with women, right? Forget religion, forget the antigay agenda, and HIV/AIDS those are not the real factors. What about a persons right to privacy? I shouldn’t be forced to stand naked in front of a gay nor should women stand naked in front of a lesbian. It is just as uncomfortable to be stared at by another male as it is for a woman being stared at by a man. Separate berthing and showers, but equal working opportunity.

Why would anyone if they are gay,want everyone in their platoon to know about it ? In my openion the more that know about it,the more action they will get.For instance,take Irac where there’s no prostitute’s,and no sex allowed,where better to serve than in a theater full of horny men,and no where to get relief.
I served in Nam 66–67 and we had at least one gay man in our Co.

Over there we had very primitive Latrine’s all outside,in seperate building’s and with no light’s allowed,due to being in a war zone.This gay man would hit on men as they came in to use the Latrine.Two of my buddie’s took him up on his offer.(he just wanted to suck).I alway’s tried to have my Latrine need’s done before dark,not because of him,because i would of knocked him on his ass.But because of snake’s.There had already been a black mamba killed in one of our tent’s.

Anyway back to the gay man,he opened hisself up too all kind’s of ridicue,and joke’s but he managed to stay in,at least he was still there when i rotated.I firmly believe the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell should remain in effect.God put man here to love women,and not other men.

Chaz problem is not that he is a moron, he knows that. Chaz problem is that he doesn’t know what it’s like to be in a war time situation. Regardless of sexual orientation, the only thing a brother or sister in arms wants to know is, “do you have my back when the shit hit the fan” Bullets don’t ask what your sexual orientation is because they don’t care.

Gays are already in the military yeah there might be more that join after the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell gets lifted. I know their are about 50 gay men and women in my unit. Why all the crying about they shouldn’t lift the ban cause they have already joined. Just lift the ban and let them be who they are.

Msgt,

I’m military retired as well. But I think that you missed the boat. Homosexuals have been in the military long before you probably really realized it. Your response sounds like you still have the backward idea that HIV / AIDS is a gay disease. WRONG!!! Men and women are passing communicable diseases around because they do not know how to practice safe sex. You need to stop thinking this way. Go to the CDC or the WHO web site and look up the statistics about HIV / AIDS and who among all the groups has the higher occurrence of HIV / AIDS. GET UP TO DATE

I served in the Navy for 22 years and knew several guys that were gay. They never bothered me and they did their jobs. The real danger in the military has always been the hate mongers who don’t want minorities of any kind serving next to them. If there should be any ban in the military it should be a ban on the narrow minded rednecks who are card carrying members of the KKK and the John Birch Society.

If this passes you may as well open it up for both sexes to the same sleeping quarters and showering together. I have no problem with what a person wants to be, but I don’t want anyone naked with me in the shower with a gleam in their eye.

Why is it Christian taliban when they post their beliefs? Did you not use the right of free speech when you posted your comment? No matter what side you are on everyone is allowed their opinions. It’s ridiculous that for all that this country is stated as everyone has the right to their opinion, and then loudmouths like you badmouth a general group just because you don’t agree. Instead of being a jerk about it why don’t you go out and actually find facts that could refute their claim?

Hey don’t FLATTER yourself you idiot. They most likely tried to avoid you.

USMC VET

Imagine what a recruit will think when his “openly gay” drill sargent/instructer gives him a women voice command, imagine what the troops will think on family day when they see their commander holding hands with his guy partner on family day, now also try to imagine how the taliban, al queda and all them other american loving organizations are going to fight when they figure out that they are fighting a group of gay warriors. This gay crap is going to absolutey ruin the disciplne in the armed forces-don’t think so huh-see what happens when one tells a troop to do something, see how seriously he’s going to be taken.….….….….……

There is a reason why you can’t be fat, sick or handicapped before. Most units go through deployments, and any of those reasons could have endangered others and that person serving. However if you look at today’s army there are plenty of bigger people serving, men and women. They have to prove they can pull their own “weight”, not to mention if that bigger person goes down other soldiers would have to pull the guy to safety. Most of the points you raised are health concerns pointed at the safety of those seriving. However since I don’t know when you served I have no basis to compare with you. I am just point out my observations and thoughts. Please don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’m an Army wife living on post, and I have seen for myself larger soldiers.

(Becky wrote)“You are obviously just homophobic!!!“
No becky. you’re heterophobic. We’re people in tune with our natural design. You deny and hate yours. “By the way, I am straight” (Surrre you are…Beck. and I’m sure you’re a retired gunny, too) BTW, “guest”, “wilson” & “becky” , the Literal definition of “homophobia is “fear of man”. It is a pejorative fabricated from thin air by a queer to denigrate everybody who isn’t a queer and who disagrees with queers. So becky, Wilson, guest, (et al) if you’re ok with calling straight Christians “homophobic” I hope you’re also OK with a straight Christian calling you “queers”. A pejorative is a pejorative. In my case, the definition fits the behavior. In your case, it’s just a pejorative.

(Guest wrote) “It amazes me how people will cover their homophobia with claims of disease and religion.”

What? queers don’t account for a vast majority of the AIDS/HIV cases and die 20 years younger than their peers? They’re not hugely overrepresented carriers of Hep-A thru E, Gonorrhea, and Syphilis? So CDC is wrong and you’re right? http://www.washblade.com/2009/8–28/news/national/15098.cfm?page=2
…AND 32% of homos have Hep-A http://​www​.drugpolicy​.org/​l​i​b​r​a​r​y​/​h​e​p​a​t​i​t​i​s​_​a​2​.​cfm

67% of the military doesn’t like queers because you’re annoying as hell and won’t keep your FU’ed views of sexuality , nor your hands, to yourselves. This forum is a perfect example of that. You want to be in them military so you can shower & hit on young studs and chicks. Just own up to it. When the normal people quit “re-upping” (not a sexual term, sorry!) to get the hell away from you, you delusional soap-hockey stars won’t be able to keep the military afloat with your paltry 2% of the population, many of whom are already diseased and not suitable for duty. Thank GOD for “friendly fire”; you firing up each other’s backsides.

(guest wrote) “I am a straight veteran of the Marine Corps and all I care about is can the Marine next to me do the job.”
The “marine next to you” will be all over you, stud. That makes it a little hard to “do the job”.

“ Who he sleeps with is not my business.” It will be because he’ll be pushing YOU to “sleep with” him.

“ And remember, those of you who are Vets have most likely served with homosexuals and probably we very pleaased with their performance. “

Yes, Marine, but they were still in the STFU mode at the time to keep from being found out. This allows them to roll with their perversion and spend all their time hitting on the other Marines in the unit, so what “was” will be irrelevant.

(Wilson wrote) “Ah more ranting websites put out by the christian taliban. “

Wrong-0, Wilson. We’re not trying to change YOUR lifestyle, you’re trying to change OURS. So who is the Taliban and who is the normative?

What next? Transexuals,cross dressers,etc.

Amen Brother!!!!!!

They all seam to pick and choose what they want from the Bible. What they don’t want to read is John 15:12, 15:13, 15:18 and Oh yes .…. John 3:16 just to mention a few. By the way I believe in God and I am a GAY United States Marine!!!!

I think you might want to read your own articles before you post them, especially when they say the following:

“However, the overall prevalence of anti-HAV among this cohort of homosexual males was similar to the prevalence that the CDC has projected for the general United States population. Similarly, although studies of HAV infection in homosexual men have revealed anti-HAV rates ranging from 30% to 43.4% [13], the prevalence of anti-HAV was not higher among these men than among heterosexual controls. Thus, while male homosexual HAV transmission appears to occur, in some settings the frequency may be low,” and “it remains to be proven that the risk of HAV infection for most homosexual males is substantially greater than that for the general population.”

My objection is to the theft of a word that used to mean happy, carefree, joyful and fun to be around. It was also used as a girl’s name. Not anymore. let’s try using the correct word again, homosexual. It just happens to be the correct word. Or is that just ooo long for reporters to type?

Also, the focus of the article on HIV and AIDS in homosexuals is focused upon African American and Latino males in the inner city. Do you think that the increased infeciton rate might have something to do with the reduced income and lack of tolerance for gays in these inner city minority communities?

during my 21 years in service I found that the GLBT community was the only reliable servicemembers who could acutally read and write,etc. They were present and accounted for. Many of my straight troops had too many problems with family, molestation, abuse, etc to depend on them for war and were allways held back from participating in combat activities! So, who the Hell is fighting our battles today? Many are GLBT. So, get off your high horses and look around you, put on your uniform and give up your comfortable place here at home, and go fight this war.….….….…then we will talk about Dont Ask Dont Tell!

Good Lord. I served on the USS Peleliu out of Long Beach and did 2 West Packs. The ship was a floating gay sex club. The straight men were only straight when we were within US waters. As soon as we hit international waters, they were all cruising looking for a piece of ass or a blowjob. Especially the marines we picked up from Camp Pendleton and Tustin. The Marines were the horniest men I had ever seen and were all bottoms. I wasn’t even out until I joined the Navy. Alot of the officers were gay as well. Hell, If they put out everyone that was gay, the ship, the west coast, couldn’t even operate.

The reason I think the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” should stay in place is because sexuality is something that should not be discussed. I am a heterosexual female and I do not go around telling people I am straight. Why do I need to know you are gay? That makes for an uncomfortable environment. If you are there to complete a mission, complete the mission. If you feel that you need to share your sexuality leave the military. Nothing against gays, I just think in the situation this could cause an unfriendly, uncomfortable situation. If you have an anti-gay person in the military, they are allowed but they have not been identified, that is deployed with a known gay person, “don’t ask, don’t tell” is no longer in place, what is the likelihood of friendly fire?

This is the way it should be. It is a protection of marriage. It doesn’t tell married people how to function in bed. Sodomy is wrong because it prohibits generations from coming into existence, and it destroys the man and female image that God created them to be. The male represents God’s authority image, and the female represent the nurturing image of God. If a male allows himself to be humbled sexually by another man, he has violated God’s image of authority. If a woman elevates herself sexually on another woman, she has violated God’s image for her in the role of submission. In marriage the man is the head and the woman is to follower. God’s laws.

Whether it is marriage or society; government or otherwise, God ordained leadership with a head and a follower. The book of Ephesians explains the marriage of Christ and his Church. This is a model for husbands and wives. Christ is man and the Church is woman. Any thing other than this is not accepted by God; therefore it is an abomination to God.

You that determine that you are going to live otherwise will bear the sin of depression and rejection.

Why did Obama promise to do, what he cannot do?

Because he is a pathological liar, That is why!

Why was there no question in your bias survey? Should Queers be allowed serve in the military?

Call me what you want. You are suppose to have a little book based on the title you used (Rev). What book do you use to tell people of the love of God? Three times in the Bible the warning is giving to not remove anything, or add anything from this Book. I will warn you of presumptuous sin. This means presuming something to be true from God when God didn’t say it. The only way we know what God is saying is through the Bible. I would love for you to say at this moment that you believe God’s word, or you do not. This is your change to reveal your heart.

In this discussion, there are some great observations, comments and positions from folks on both sides of this issue. I spent 6 years in the US Navy on submarines. The tightest of quarters in the entire US military service. At sea, the majority of the crew behaved flamboyant from time to time. That was a good way of reliving stress and frustration during our long submerged patrols. To my knowledge, there was no “deviant” behavior on our boat during any of our at sea time. The sonar systems would have picked it up and the sonar techs would probably pipe it through the ships all stations PA system, so the crew would get a brief laugh. Meanwhile everyone get back to hunting those Pinko Commies.

The real concern here is that most of the “hard core” objectors to the DADT policy have never been in the military nor have not completed that kind or any kind of national service.

Additionally, there is a multitude of microcosms of most social groups i.e. gay, conservative, liberal, religious, ethnic and racial, which are vocal, flamboyant and visible such that they get their 15 minutes of “fame” on FOX, CNN or the National Enquirer. Many “regular” and “average” Americans value judgments of these groups based on these quips and news blurbs about the small groups that most of the time claim they represent the “majority” of the members of their group.

Most often, the vocal minority does not necessarily represent the whole of their group. Their agendas most of the time differ from the majority of their group. Science finds that approximately 10% of any population has an alternative orientation than the main stream of that population. In that light, there are approximately 30 million gay, lesbian and bisexual individuals in the United States.

Exclusion or inclusion of social groups and classes is not a uniquely American quality. This quality has existed since the beginning of civilization. How civilizations deal with these exclusions or inclusions would be a good study for the “we can” and the “we can’t” forces in our current American society. And perhaps, the more productive activities for citizens of all colors, creeds and nationalities would be to learn more about the world around us and actually do more for the world around us. Be more world centered and less self centered.

As John Kennedy stated in his inaugural address in 1961, “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

H.T.E. MM1/ss

Exclusion or inclusion of social groups and classes is not a uniquely American quality. This quality has existed since the beginning of civilization. How civilizations deal with these exclusions or inclusions would be a good study for the “we can” and the “we can’t” forces in our current American society. And perhaps, the more productive activities for citizens of all colors, creeds and nationalities would be to learn more about the world around us and actually do more for the world around us. Be more world centered and less self centered.
As John Kennedy stated in his inaugural address in 1961, “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

H.T.E. MM1/ss

I’m guessing this was intended to be in response to the guy before me, rather than me. I’d like to respond though.

“Three times in the Bible the warning is giving to not remove anything, or add anything from this Book.”

While I am Christian and use the Bible for guidance, I’d like to point out that “This Book” wasn’t even a book before the 4th century. Sure the Pentateuch (Book of Moses) was, but the “Holy Bible” in Its present form was not. The first Council of Nicaea convened in the 4th century to put the Bible into what we have today with the Old and New Testaments. While I believe the books are divinely inspired, you must remember that this council (of MEN) were the ones who decided what went in and what didn’t. So to assume that these MEN were infallible is to put more faith in the MEN that assembled the manuscript than the Triune God we as Christians worship. Who’s to say they didn’t get it wrong? Not me…only God can. So I put more trust in what He has written on my heart than the manuscript assembled by mere MEN.

For all the folks here who claim to be Christians, might I remind you of the kind of folks Jesus often hung out with. Jesus fulfilled the law. He commanded us to “love one another”. I believe Paul wrote that we as Christians should not sit in judgment of non-believers. The question is what constitutes a non-believer? Someone who doesn’t comply with the Old Testament, or someone, sinner or saint, who places their trust and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? Christians are not without sin, and we know it.

I’m sick of the term homophobia. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. I have no fear of gays, I’m simply disgusted by them and as an Army Desert Storm Veteran and Airborne Combat Engineer (Sapper).…..I can say I would not serve with anyone openly gay. In the military, you share close quarters with people. Shower together, sleep in pup tent with each other, pee and crap next to each other sans cover and other situations where frankly I don’t want a fag next to me. And if you don’t like my use of the word fag you can kiss my ass. I don’t care. As for serving with gays.….probably did.……but what I don’t KNOW won’t cause me any disgust. Hence the don’t ask, don’t tell policy. The mililtary is not a democracy and should not be the testing ground for every dumb ass social engineering idea that moron politicians come up with.

Don’t ask and don’t tell. Why is this not enough?
Be realistic. I say, let them openly serve for a week and see what happens.

That is not a comment to fish them out and identify them.

Just have an openly gay Marine, Army or what not and let the other soldiers have their say.
I’m sure the conversation will be interesting when that guy doesn’t show up for work the next day.

That is just an observation.

Soldiers have enough problems without something else being FORCED upon them that they don’t want. This is behavior that no one accepts but is slowly being forced upon us by the media and tolerance in school.

I am sick of my country being eroded daily by you people and this is just another attack on MY VALUES, MY PARENTS VALUES, and MY COUNTRIES VALUES!

Enough is enough. You can’t have any more!

KP

Just because one nut drinks poison, it doesn’t justify legalizing poison. Before the worldwide deluge, the entire region was corrupt. Noah and his crew stayed true to God. The flood killed all humans except the eight people, including Noah. What is your point? Sodom and Gomorra was destroyed and the regions around them for their evil acts. Only Lot and his immediate family were saved. What is your point?

Regardless of the breaking of God’s moral laws by other countries, we should never follow their immorality. Remember the floor and the fire.

Not really, God is in control of Heaven. But, I’m being humorous to the point of showing how stupid it is for a person to say they are a woman when they are a man, or other way around.

As a Veteran I do not support Gays in the Military! I was aware of a few in the service during my tenure and find the sexual conduct of them as unquestionably devious and unprofessional. What you do at home with your wife or husband (heterosexuals) is your own business but in uniform doing the job that is required of you is America’s business and the majority of Americans vehemently Do Not Support Gays in the military. I am tired of this argument from the left trying to gain traction. Its time Americans start educating themselves and fight back the left wing ideologues who are crushing the True Hope for America. Its time to punish those serving in any branch of service and re-instate the policy that forbids them in the military!

to Kevin—– you know what dude i wish i would have came out while i was in the Marine infintry … actually my friends asked me why didn’t you come out while you were in no one would of cared even when they said they even suspected i was and still they all didn’t care… i served two tours with my brothers in arms and to them that’s all that mattered… so yeah id say try for the one week thing and it wouldn’t end up like you think it would… trust me…

I venture to guess, that if gays in the military are allowed to practice their sexual preference openly, it won’t be long before they’ll find themselves the only soldiers in the service.

I have a question or two because I found your comment to be very interesting. I’m taking a military law course and being that you are a veteran, your insight would be very helpful…how does what you are stating address persons that serve their country, presumably honorably considering their medals of honor, that do not identify as heterosexual? I am speaking of soldiers that never reveal their lifestyle with those to whom they are not close with. The soldiers that a couple of veterans have given interviews about and refer to them as “friends” from battle or military tours.

Exactly does openly serve mean? If don’t ask, don’t tell is removed that that mean military forms will remove the block for sexual identity or expand it to include male/female straight/gay/bisexual?

There is a world of diiference between “accepting as the norm” deviated sexual behavior and “tolerating the individual”, out of respect for the person and no choice. If I am forced to “accept it as norm”(which is what this is all about) they are going to have a really big problem with me.

If the issue of having to “except it as the norm” becomes a law, I will truly hope and will actually enjoy watching the military ranks empty out. Even the heterosexual soldiers that are saying nothing out of trying to remain neutral are only dealing with the problem as is. I spent 10 years in the Army, as long as DADT was in place, there was always that small shadow of doubt that seemed to shield trouble. You take away DADT and for sure, there’s going to be a few bodies, showing up in GI towns, before all this goes away.

If your not in the military, your opinion on this should not matter! The ones voicing there opinions, calling us close minded, and homophobs, should get their a## out there and serve there country!

Why do you care? Are you serving in the military? I understand your principle, but if your not wearing our uniform, then it is not affecting you!

The point behind the ban of DADT seems to be missed. That could be done inadvertently or on purpose, since doing so can help support several different arguments on the subject. The goal should be geared more so towards eliminating the illegality or the threat of dishonorable discharge to those applicable persons who’s only “crime” or “misconduct” relates to personal matters. There are several debates about whether or not people are born with or choose to have a particular preference. While they seem relevant in a broad sense, it is too broad to address the narrow topic. Who a person dates has no relevance to how they perform their duty. Once a person demonstrates that they are unable to effectively execute their duties, then that should be obvious grounds for dishonorable discharge, especially if it includes bringing personal matters to work, so to speak. That’s with any profession in general. It would be extremely naive for Americans to believe that people with preferences opposite that of heterosexuals were not actively participating in the military and serving honorably before DADT came about. What is my point? It means that it is obviously possible to perform the tasks assigned, effectively and honorably without interference from one’s personal life. It’s doable. The creation of DADT may mean well in that it apparently seeks to keep the alleged majority of the military lost in a facade that they are ONLY serving alongside talented and honorable heterosexuals. It is not difficult to play along. Those to whom DADT specially applies can actively or passively participate in the gay-bashing jokes on base. They can flirt with persons of the opposite sex while in the company of fellow soldiers or officers. They can portray pictures of siblings as if they were pictures of their significant other of the opposite sex. They can even go as far as to marry a best friend of the opposite sex for no other reason than to relieve any or all doubt. However, none of that changes their personal preferences nor their ability to perform their duties as military personnel. While the case to ban DADT is amicable, those advocates may want to focus their attention more so on the underlying statute.

Dear Fed Up, People assume your child has a father because that is how they are made. Without man there is no woman, as without woman there is no man. That simply is the way it is. I think your statement says it all about who is the idoit in this conversation.

DADT is discrimination pure and simple, no different than when blacks or women weren’t allowed. Gays are not deviants, they are not pedophiles, and the incident of rape in the military is one sex against the other, not same sex. None of the pro DADT rhetoric contains merit.

hello! many of us can’t! because of a stupid antiquated rule structure put together by people who apparently believe they’re so hot, and all lgb people are so insatiable, that gay comrades would jump them in the context of 30-second showers and/or on the battlefield. it’s insane on all counts.

I am a heterosexual retired military person who served over 20 years in the military. My dad, brothers, nephews and my daughter have served or are serving. My nephew is in Afghanistan right now and my daughter is in Iraq. I KNOW the military culture, I have lived it and continue to live it to this day. READ MY LIPS (or my words): being gay or lesbian does NOT decrease morale, it does NOT make a soldier unfit to serve, it does NOT decrease one’s integrity, professionalsim or patriotism.

Over 23 outher countries allow gay people to serve openly with no detrimental impact on the military. Recently, Canada began to allow gay people to serve and an indirect effect was that there was a more than 40% DECREASE in mlitary females being sexuallay harassed or assaulted by fellow soldiers — why? Because women felt more at eas in saying NO when they meant NO and then not being faced with an investigation of whether they were lesbian or not (when the male who tried to assault her turned her in when he was turned down). Do you knwo that although women make up a very small percentage of service members, they get kicked at alarmingly high rates for beign lesbian? This is wrong and ending DADT will not only allow gay and lesbian service members to openly serve with pride, it will put an end to heterosexual females being forced into sexual acts or forced to be silent when they are sexually assaulted for fear of a false investigation of beign lesbian by saying No!

Why can’t men and women serving in the military be allowed to proclaim who they are? You will not become gay by association, they will not force you into their “gaydom” and they will not ask you out (trust me…you are not that attractive, I am sure). A straight male soldier working with a gay male soldier is the same as that same straight male working with a female soldier. Get over it. I am disgusted with the miltiary members on this site being so closed-minded.

Has a gay guy or girl ever really put you in danger? Seriously, I doubt it. He was probably in the fox hole with you, you’re best buddy and, now, you hear he’s gay, so, being the follower that you are, you join the crowd and say, “yeah, friggin fags are bad for the military!” I could care less about what Obama said, but don’t call me or my gay buddies out and try to make a gay guy any less of a man than you guys. WE will be open regardless of who’s president and while we’re on active duty, we will follow orders, perform out duties to the letter, fight to protect America and while we’re taking crap from some people who don’t know any better, we will live, work and defend America as gay men and gay women.
–Michael

you need to go back to school and learn to reed and rite or are you really just a second grader?!

SSG US Army. I retired recently as a MSgt, my husband retired as Chief as did my brother and right now I have a nephew in Afghanistan and a daughter in Iraq. So let me voice my opinion, being gay does NOT decrease one’s patriotism, integrity, honor or pride. Gay people are serving next to you, on your football team, your troop or your commander. Would you really think differently of a medal of honor recipient or purle heart recipient if you found out they were gay while they sacrificed their life to save yours or someone else they served with? We military people can adapt to anything and I honestly think that if your commander or your troop could serve openly as a gay person, you would still try and take care of your troop adn respect your commander. We are the best and the brightest and usually we are wayyyy ahead of military in other countries but not this time — we are lagging behind and we need to catch up and do the right thing

No ma’am… my child has a sperm donor.. not a father. she has 2 loving mothers that love her dearly she has no father… and she understands that.

LGBT will get their rights that they deserve… and when that day comes I will join back up and my daughter will be standing along with my wife to see me leave on deployment as well as return… and have all the same benefits that every other military family has…

unsubscribe because your afraid of change… im sure your one of those woman belong in the kitchen type females as well? along with blacks are only good for cleanin and cookin? get over it. times have changed and the sky is the limit for LGBTs… so please… just stand by=]

why is it that straight people assume that every Gay person wants to have sex with them? or date them? or is even attracted to them?

get real…

thats just idioic… So if a woamn gives you orders do you take her seriously? or do you tell her she should be in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant? get real… just because someone is gay… why would you question his/her athority? if they are above you in rank then they are above you.… which means no matter what their voice sounds like or who their partner is… you listen… becaue he or she gave you an ORDER…

As a straight male within the military I have no problem doing away with don’t ask don’t tell. However, I believe I should be able to room and shower with females. I promise not to touch, but I don’t promise not to look. Sure will make the next long deployment more interesting.

then so be it. that way we can advance without our rates being closed…

you guys have us so mixed up with this stereotypical version of someone gay.

I DONT CARE IF PEOPLE KNOW OR DONT KNOW IM GAY… LET ME SERVE MY COUNTRY AND BE ALLOWED TO PUT MY WIFE ON MY PAGE 2.. LET OUR CHILDREN BE ON MY PAGE2.. ALLOW MY CHILDREN AND MY STAY AT HOME WIFE GET BENEFITS AND BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND FUNCTIONS WITH ME AND BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING THAT EVERY OTHER MILITARY WIFE GETS… GIVE ME THAT AND ILL BE HAPPY… GAH YOU PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE HALF OF WHAT A GAY PERSON WITH A FAMILY GOES THROUGH IN THE MILITARY…

NO ONE CARES TO LOOK AT ANYONE IN THE SHOWER IT IS AWKWARD ENOUGH ALREADY… I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET MY JOB DONE AND GO HOME WITH MY FAMILY JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

You will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as relationships between a man and a woman.- Obama

********. We’re not talking about the homosexual community, we’re talking about homosexuals in the military. And they definitely DON’T have the same right as everyone else. They don’t have the right to talk about their significant others, like the hetero’s do… They don’t have the right to be seen in public with their significant others…

Yes they do. Have you ever been to their parades?

What would you call your partner? Husband or wife? Can your father meet you on the pier? Can your brother meet you on the pier? Can your best male friend meet you on the pier? Homosexuality is wrong biologically and culturally. You can have your male friend meet you on the pier, but don’t ask us to celebrate the fact the he has sex with you in your rectum, or the fact that you do the same to him. The military is made of people from the previous generation. If you stay true to your same sex commitment, what are you giving the military as a reward? I gave them two boys and a girl. These kids are from a male and female.

You are telling the military by your lifestyle that you don’t care about it future. Tell me what are you offering after you die? Can this country depend on your relationship with another man to help its population grow? Tell me when you remove that condom are you at risk of catching a disease? Homosexuality is wrong. Now God’s says that. Tell everybody right here and now that God is a liar.

With AIDS spreading, and cervical cancer spreading among these people that act this way, they will not be living long.

Thanks

YOU CANT HAVE HIV IN THE MILITARY.… THEY TEST YOU BEFORE YOUR JOIN AS WELL AS MANY TIMES AFTER.…

Issues of social injustices can never be voted on by the masses. If all social change was based on a majority vote of the general population progress in social equality would slow to a crawl. Hiding homophobia behind a mask of one’s own moral, religious, ignorance is a sad but prevalent thing when dealing social equality. In the last one hundred years we as a country have made many leaps in social justice. Woman’s & Minorities Right to Vote, the integration of African American within the Arm Forces and then the rest of the nation are examples of these changes. Our nations Arm Forces have always preceded these national changes in employment and social equality.

It has been proven that “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” cost the US in the lost of highly qualified, skilled, and trained individuals sense its introduction. It has forced the Witch hunts (looking for homosexuals in the ranks) of the past to go underground, I know from personal experience and observations that they still exist.
The old train of thought was that homosexuals would be a security risk, this idea was proven untrue allowing the introduction of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”. Many militaries the world around and throughout history have allowed homosexuals to serve. The main issue is not to whom one is sexually attached to, but how one performs and upholds to a higher level of moral behavior with their expression of their sexuality (this is true no matter the sexuality homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual…) especially while in uniform. I have witnessed morally questionable behavior from both men and women toward the opposite sex; mostly it is ignored by others.

The issue of HIV and diseases as excuse for not getting rid of the ban on open homosexuals serving is laughable. That train of thought would then also mean women should not serve because they have a higher rate of contracting HIV than men. In addition sexually active service members whom are deployed or single are more likely to have sex with prostitutes who have sex with many men and are very likely to be caring STDs, so with that idea men who are sexually active should not serve because of their risk of have sex with prostitutes and contracting a disease. Is this starting to look like a pattern…. Everyone can make a generalized argument that would exclude a proven portion of our fighting force.

In addition to the removal of a ruling keeping open homosexuals to serve would make it easier for the homosexual individuals to create and keep partners thus decreasing the amount of sexual partners that they have.

If you have read till this point then you must be very passionate about this issue… I ask that if that is true look into your own reasons for this feeling and put it into context of your own beliefs.

God bless our troops, veterans, and this great country that we live in that we can have this discussion and be able to express our views and learn to respect those of others.

Wow!!! You christian folks haha!!! Really??? you’re spitting out all this crap against homosexuals but in reality you are just as much in sin as anyone you say are! you should be ashamed to even say you are a christian because i am pretty sure God is looking down and wanting to spit right in your eye. It’s people like you that turn anyone away from religion or God. Christ like huh? yeah right! as far as homosexuals in the military… well i’m pretty sure that it’s gonna happen… and guess what ya’ll are just gonna have to suck it up and get over it… just like women being in the military it has taken lots of adjustment and so it will be for gays… most of ya’ll are just insecure with your sexuality anyway… haha… you have probably at one point in your life thought about it and that’s what scares you.… stuck in your little box!

You got to be kidding me. With your logic then homosexual females should be aloud to serve because they have the lowest risk of contracting HIV. In addition straight (heterosexual) females are the highest risk group for contracting HIV. I have seen the sexual behaviors of many a serviceman when away from their home. I think promiscuity is a bigger issue than who one has sex with. For your information HIV infection is not considered a service connected disease unless the subject may have been exposed to blood / blood products. I would rather pick a random healthy looking guy / girl coming out of a gay bar than to risk exposure to the blood of these promiscuous prostitute using servicemen. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying that all servicemen are like that. I have the utmost respect for other veterans.

The mixing of blood in a emergency combat transfusion was one of the excuses that was used to segregate African Americans in the service; that policy was abolished, as will in time the ban on homosexuals to serve openly. The US Armed Services has always preceded the federal mandate of social policies across the nation. Change will come in time.

I pray that you get your facts straight instead of spreading your own homophobia and covering it up with flimsy medical paranoia.

When congress gets around to doing away with don’t ask don’t tell. They also need to take a look at the UCMJ for changes. If they don’t people can still be court– martialed.
ART. 125. SODOMY
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

President Clinton should have never allowed the Policy “Do not ask, do not tell” to be a part of the military service doctrine. There is no place in the military for gays and President Obama should not push or allow the open gay policy to become effective. I served in the military for 22 years as a private, section sgt, squad leader, platoon sgt., drill sgt., first sgt, served in combat etc etc etc. I only recall that in all the years only 2 gays exposed their sexual orientation. But they the price of some brutal assaults by some of the straight soldiers. They were not accepted then and they will not be accepted now. If the military adopts an open gay policy, Will the military allow the gays to walk hand and hand, sit under the flag pole at post headquarters, wear lipstick and kiss and work out. It would be a disgrace to implement this open policy in the military. What a shame! I still believe that once a soldier admits homosexuality, he/she should be discharge in accordance with the appropriate discharge regulation. If our government would reinstate the draft, we would not be addressing the issue with gays. But when you have an all volunteer military and the military cannot meet the quotas, they will allow all sorts of things to take place within the military, just to fill the quotas. I saw all of this take place in 1975 with the increase of female soldiers, lowering standards, allowing pregnant soldiers to remain on active duty, designed uniforms for the pregnant soldier. Come on let us revamp the military and get back to the real straight military force.….….….Retired First Sergeant.

Did you do any research yourself into the claims and licensing of those that are creating these websites and research?
Here is a working link for you from a reputable website. Notice it is not a dot com or an org it is a University (.edu)
This is facts about the chairman of the Family Research Institute (were your so called facts 7 research come from), PO Box 62640, Colorado Springs, CO, 80962–2640. Telephone: (303) 681‑3113. Fax: (303) 681‑3427. E-mail: pdcameron@juno.com
http://​psychology​.ucdavis​.edu/​r​a​i​n​b​o​w​/​H​T​M​L​/​f​a​c​ts_...
A few highlights:
December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership.
October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it “formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality.“
In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that “Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism” and noted that “Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research.“7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of “critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron.“
At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee’s report and passed the following resolution:
The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research.
In August, 1996, the Canadian Psychological Association adopted the following policy statement: The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it formally disassociates itself from the representation and interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public statements on sexuality.

Cameron’s credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to “Cameron’s sworn statement that ‘homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,’” and concluded that “Dr. Paul Cameron…has himself made misrepresentations to this Court” and that “There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron” (p.536).9

I do not agree with Wilson’s use of terms saying “Christian Taliban” such a statement only proliferates more bigotry and ignorance. But I do agree with the fact that the web site and its research is obviously not reputable.

Did you do any research yourself into the claims and licensing of those that are creating these websites and research?

Here is a working link for you from a reputable website. Notice it is not a dot com or an org it is a University (.edu)

This is facts about the chairman of the Family Research Institute (were your so called facts 7 research come from), PO Box 62640, Colorado Springs, CO, 80962–2640. Telephone: (303) 681‑3113. Fax: (303) 681‑3427. E-mail: pdcameron@juno.com

http://​psychology​.ucdavis​.edu/​r​a​i​n​b​o​w​/​H​T​M​L​/​f​a​c​ts_...

A few highlights:
December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership.

October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it “formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality.“
In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that “Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism” and noted that “Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research.“7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of “critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron.”

At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee’s report and passed the following resolution:
The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research.
In August, 1996, the Canadian Psychological Association adopted the following policy statement: The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it formally disassociates itself from the representation and interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public statements on sexuality.

Cameron’s credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to “Cameron’s sworn statement that ‘homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,’” and concluded that “Dr. Paul Cameron…has himself made misrepresentations to this Court” and that “There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron” (p.536).9

Did you do any research yourself into the claims and licensing of those that are creating these websites and research?
Here is a working link for you from a reputable website. Notice it is not a dot com or an org it is a University (.edu)

This is facts about the chairman of the Family Research Institute (were your so called facts 7 research come from), PO Box 62640, Colorado Springs, CO, 80962–2640. Telephone: (303) 681‑3113. Fax: (303) 681‑3427. E-mail: pdcameron@juno.com

http://​psychology​.ucdavis​.edu/​r​a​i​n​b​o​w​/​H​T​M​L​/​f​a​c​ts_...

A few highlights:
December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership.
October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it “formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality.“
In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that “Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism” and noted that “Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research.“7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of “critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron.“
At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee’s report and passed the following resolution:
The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research.
In August, 1996, the Canadian Psychological Association adopted the following policy statement: The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it formally disassociates itself from the representation and interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public statements on sexuality.

Cameron’s credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to “Cameron’s sworn statement that ‘homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,’” and concluded that “Dr. Paul Cameron…has himself made misrepresentations to this Court” and that “There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron” (p.536).9

I think that they should keep the whole “Don’t ask Don’t tell”, but you should not get discharged from the military if someone knows that you’re gay. I’m in the AF and I know plenty of people that are gay here. They hate it. No, I don’t think that they should let gays run around and show off their sexuality, but they shouldn’t have to live a lie either.

Gays and Lesbians are sick in the head. It goes against the natural make of the human body.
Two men or two women cannot reproduce naturaly, it takes ONE man and One women. Thats a fact of Mother Nature. If you want to practice your perversion keep it in the closet!! Perverts!

I’m a Christian myself, but I find it extremely amusing how some many people on here claim that our country needs to return to its Christian roots. The majority of our founding fathers were not Christians. If some of you would actually take sometime to do some research on your own country’s history, you would know most of them were Deists — and strongly opposed the Bible. The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.

As for Gay agenda? Perhaps I’m too naive to know just exactly what this is, but it doesn’t seem too different than this bible thumping agenda many others seem to have, as well.

Remember Sodom and Gomorra ???

How dare you. Go back to your Republican, homophoebic website and leave us alone. I doubt you served a day in the military or ever had to make a sacrafice. Please understand, we are not talking about military personnel walking around in drag, waving and saying “Festive”. any more than “straight” people are going to behave on duty as they might off duty. We are talking about losing 18 years VETERANS, decorated VETERANS, because of their sexual orientation … not a gay lifestyle. They lead a MILITARY lifestyle. You try it. I am a proud 3rd generation Texas, a slightly stout middle-aged woman, and a “straght” citizen. I am adament, as are the majority of citizens that this travesty called DADT end…NOW.

The strength of our military will be greatly reduced when and if “don’t ask, don’t tell” is done away with. As a 30 year USAF veteran, many of my friends will retire early or resign their commissions if the present policy is changed. Our great country is already going down hill rapidly and this policy, if and when it is changed, wll only accelearate its demise. May Go bless our great country.

As a former air force command officer in the VIetnam era of service, I worked with 0–6 staff and above who both knew and counseled airmen, some combat pilots and force protection teams who were “unsure” of their orientation…these men and women did their jobs admirably and with honor…including shedding thier blood. It is long past time to set this old chestnut aside. Like president Truman did when he integrated the military after WWII … lets get on with utilizing ALL of our best and brightest service members.

My opinion on this matter is that if the people writing the laws haven’t served in the military, they really don’t have any business making the laws we have to abide by. First of all, as a Christian, my beliefs are that homosexuality is immoral and a sin. That said, I don’t judge people and their behavior; that’s God’s realm. I personally don’t believe that homosexuals should be removed from service for being gay, they should however be removed from service for lying on a federal application which is punishable with jail time!! One of the best things about this country is the freedom to choose who I associate with and who I don’t & being forced to live in close proximity with someone whose lifestyle I disagree with doesn’t sit well with me. If in the future our Gov’t sees fit to allow open homosexuality, they should also provide separate showering and berthing arrangements from basic training on through the career of the individuals involved. I’m sure there are people who might consider this as segregation, but if it comes down to it, segregate ME!!

I read in here that a lot of other countries that allow openly gay persons to serve and they have no problems with it. How about this as a reason to not allow it: When those countries are getting their @@#%Y handed to them, who do they call to bail them out?

ok I will not say if I agree or disagree with the don’t ask don’t tell policy as it does not matter to be honest with you. however attacking gay people for only wanting the same rights that we straight people have seems to me to be contrary to an oath we all took. Now I remember swearing an oath to defend the constitution of the united states aginst all enemys foreign and domestic. Now that means I have to defend free speach.…meaning if a gay man wants to scream on the corner of the street that he is gay or go to washington and ask for equal rights i will give my life to make sure he can do so.…. I will also expect that my voice will be heard in washington as well and that I have the same freedom he does to make my case for or aginst something. With that being said why the need to call all gays child molesters and deviants and such things is beyond me. It does not prove a point to anyone other than you lack the skills to make a fact based arguement. It is just as bad as being a racist and to me is motivated by hate not trying to preserve something. But that is just my thoughts on it.

As a straight, Christian man, I don’t care if you are straight or gay. Don’t bring it to work. The military is not a place to display sexual orientation. Your only job is to “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” If you are gay, in the military, and have a problem with DADT, then either get out, or shut up. You VOLUNTARILY joined fully knowing the policy. If you want to be openly gay, and serve in the United States military now, well you have three options. 1. Join, be openly gay, and get in trouble. 2. Join, don’t be openly gay, and serve your country. 3. Don’t join, wait until it changes, and then join and be openly gay.

If you are straight do not bring your relationship/sexual orientation to work. If you are a Christian and your only problem with gays is that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, than good for you. I agree that the act of homosexuality is a sin, as is premarital sex, lying, and putting anything before God. Christ never forced anyone to do anything, and neither should you.

Finally, at this moment in time, if you are gay, you have to decide what is more important to you. Being openly gay, or serving your country. The choice is yours.

gays do not belong in the forces,

If the Brits, Israelis, Aussies, and all our NATO allies have gays and lesbians serving openly and successfully, why can’t the U. S,. do it? I think it’s the religious right that has the problem.

Amen to that. It’s nice to know not everyone has lost his/her way. I salute you. Also, it’s rather unfortunate that others can’t show respect regardless of differing opinions.

OEF Vet here. I served with both Gay and Lesbian people when I was in Afghanistan. It was very visible that these people were there. There was no breakdown of unit cohesion or anything else. We were too busy doing our jobs and staying alive.

These folks are no less dedicated than any other soldier, sailer, marine, or airman. I’m perfectly happy for them to take bullets like everyone else.

The anus was not designed for insertion of objects, only exit. Those who engage in unnatural acts are certainly free to do so but there are clearly consequences. I served 30+ years of active and reserve duty and knew homosexuals I served with but I was always very thankful that I was not forced to accept them as “normal”. There is nothing normal about gay behavior or other self-destructive behaviors. If the military ever openly accepts gays, it will be the end of the best military in the world. Of course, that’s the road the current liberal bunch in Congress and this Administration are taking us.

So Paul how about my Uncle who was killed in combat and had adopted me and my brother, even though I was not of blood relation (his significant other was my blood uncle). My Uncle never received any benefits during or after life with Sig. Plus we never received any medical or other coverage. He served 23 yrs and would have continued, it was his life. He was proud of his country and fulfilling his duties to serve and protect.
Who’s agenda is being pushed on who?

I am in the military, and I can say that for the most part, the military doesn’t want homosexual people serving openly. Seriously, Homosexuals make up 2 percent of the population and they act like they own the world. I don’t get why people are in such a rush to repeal the don’t ask don’t tell policy. It’s like they are playing follow the leader, we need someone to rally behind.

Seriously, that’s the biggest load of crap I have ever listened to. I am sooooo sick of homosexual people trying to change everything to suit them. They want to redefine marriage, they want to have kids, they want to do this, they want to do that. Stop already! It’s disgusting. Seriously, when are people going to learn that homosexuality is a morally reprehensible practice. Period. It’s not right! It’s not going to change. It’s the same with drinking and driving, extortion or stealing.

I mean, what gives a homosexual person the right to change things? There is no justification for homosexuality. Men are supposed to go with women, and vice versa, not the other way around. Okay, so maybe you found out that you are attracted to the same sex, that doesn’t mean they will make a great partner for life. Marriage is a lifelong commitment between two people who are willing to stick it out. Heterosexual couples that divorce irregardless give marriage a bad name, but I still have more respect for them than I do for homosexual people.

That’s just wrong, and then they have kids. Kids who will grow up seeing their behavior. I mean do you really expect me to believe that kids won’t see that they have two parents of the same sex and grow up thinking that is right? Give me a break. Every time parents have an argument the kids start thinking.
I am sick of it! You mean to tell me that you can’t keep your sex life out of the military? If you can, then why do you have to serve openly?

There is no reason other than the fact that homosexuality is about going against the norms. There is no proof to show that homosexuality will benefit the military in any way. It just benefits a group of self serving individuals who only want to make things more comfortable for themselves. I wish Hollywood and all the people backing the gay agenda would go back to where they came from. Seriously, spoiled and bored celebrities complain more than gay people do. Get a life for crying out loud! Someone tried to compare homosexuality to civil rights. Psh!

You can’t compare homosexuality to Civil rights. African American people were mistreated based on race, they can’t change that, and had no control over it. Homosexuals are that way based on their own choices, and I wish they would stop selfishly trying to change everything. Seriously, don’t your fricking job and go home. Nobody needs to know your homosexual. Yeah maybe you might be buddies with someone, until you find out that they were gay, and then everything changes.

You are very illogical. You are saying it is both a choice and a disease. Then you say it is a mental illness (actually its not according to the DSM IV which is the book on mental illness).

You should get your logic and facts straight.

I served 23 1/2 years in the navy. Let me tell you it would have made me mighty uncomfortable to have to take a shower with a known Gay man nude next to me and anyone that says it would not affect them is lying unless they are gay also. i think Don’t ask Don’t tell sahould remain in effect as long as the untite States has a military. Any one that thinks Gays should be allowed to serve openly shoulf go down to the recruting atation and sign up and serve some time in the military.

There seems to be a lot of gay supporters for the openness of gay rights. Hell, I never heard of a gay animal or they may play like it. My point is, humans are ill in the mind and perhaps more than animals. Whatever happened to America’s morals and values? You know, this is something that our four fathers believed in. Today, anything flows and goes and what is wrong is right and what is right is wrong. Normally, this is the beginning to the downfall of world powers. It happened to Rome, the Greeks, Persians, and so on… I believe all the secular’s and far left are bringing a moral decline to America. I know, you will tell me judge and you will be judged! I only pray that our leaders make the right decisions before America is no-more.

This article reveals one vivid story.The President of the US may be the most powerful Leader on the planet but he is “LIMITED” in what he can,and cannot “DO” There is still a Congress up there and High Court, a thing called “Checks and balances” and that is good​.So for the unlearned,Try to remember,when you jump the President.Irrespective of “WHO” it is and how much you love,or hate him.They are NEVER completely responsible for it all.

Dude, you’re the idiot who you are trying to shove your gayness down my throat… You are sicker than an animal which I do not see animals acting like this. Besides, you belong on the island with every person of your nature and habits. People like you are causing this moral decline in America and it needs to stop! I will only pray for lost souls like you!

I think Jesus would ask you change from your wicked ways and take up your cross to follow me. The golden rule is to love one another, that is why I say I will pray for people that practice evil. Look up Leviticus 18:22 is translated: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

Amen to that! I am with you on this one as I channel surf as well to get rid of all the garbage on TV. That is why I think FOX News is getting more and more viewers. About 80% of Americans still be in God and why should the majority suffer over of what 2% wants (a Gay America)…

People like you make me weep for humanity.

Please site your references… Here is a site for you: The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay. Your 10% is a myth or 20 million people.…

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How about we do the smart thing. The right thing. Every service member gets a vote. WE will be the ones who decide if gays should be allowed to serve. Everyone else will get to read what WE the MILITARY decided, because ultimately we are the ones directly affected by the outcome!
Problem solved.

GOOD MAN!!!!!! AND I’m a straight grandmother wife of a retired USAF m/sgt!

ANOTHER intelligent military man.…no surprise there!

Can I borrow that phrase, please, “christian taliban”.…It explains very efficiently why I am horrified by the right wing fanatics of the world!

I soooo agree! And I am very, very religious — Episcopalian straight grandmother and a wife of a USAF retired Msgt.

“ONE NATION UNDER GOD…” Unfortunately, the Bible is infinitely clear on homosexuality. It is an intolerable sin, and has no place in the forces that defend constitution and flag of the United States of America. Just because it is faddish and Hollywood chooses to use it to boost its ratings should have no bearing on the intent of the founding fathers.

I think we have all heard of the Gay Olympics right? They go around picking cities they know will not hold events, a malicious and calculated attack against people who hold different views. When the city say no they take the city to court wasting millions of tax payer dollars just to push their views on other people. There are sick and disgusting people out there who think all people should view the world through queer eyes. I am sorry gays if you don’t like what say, you have that right, but honestly I don’t care. I am not pushing my view of religion or homosexuality into your life, don’t push your views into mine.

I always find it interesting how bible thumpers conveniently manage to pick and choose quotations from the bible to support their personal prejudices and fears, but somehow see fit to overlook some of the other scary and outright inhumane quotations. If they truly believe that the bible is the word of God then why don’t they accept all of it?

Leviticus 20:10 states that, “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife — with the wife of his neighbor — both the adulterer and the adultress must be put to death.” How many folks do you know that are guilty of that one? Or how about Leviticus 20:9, which states that, “If anyone curses his mother or father he must be put to death.” Or how about this lovely quotation from Exodus 21:20 –21, “If a man beat his female or male slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is NOT to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.” Or Leviticus 25:44 — 45, which states, “Your male and female slaves are to come from nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” These are just a few of many similar quotations in the bible. Don’t believe me? Do the research by actually reading the bible and see for yourself.

Fortunately, slavery was abolished in the U.S. by the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. I hope our government will also have the wisdom and the decency to grant equal rights to our gay brothers and sisters, including the right to openly serve in our armed services, someday soon.

I’m retired Army. I served & knew many gay’s while serving. The ONLY problem I have with the Gay situation is, I do not run around telling anyone that I am not gay, therefore, why does anyone need to run around telling everyone that they are Gay? I have never seen this in my military career from gay’s or straight people. Ev 1 or most knew who was gay & who was not & NO 1 cared as long as you did your job, plain and F-ing simple. I don’t care who you are or who you sleep with as long as you are NOT hitting on me, straight or gay. IF, you can follow order’s, If you can perform the job, if, you can show up as needed, I have NO PROBLEM. However, what they are proposing, that gay’s serve openly, Is a problem. The very First Gay Pride Day I see on base, is going to be a BIG problem, then you are forcing down my throat and forcing me to make a decision, and I will decide NOT to accept it. I do not force my sexuality down anyone else’s throat as a straight man, DO NOT force homesexuality down mine.

To Rev. Bruce Simpson — Rev, what give’s us the right is the MAJORITY are against it. The SAD part is, is that our politician’s have FORGOT what the Majority mean’s, and as a constiuent, I am here to remind them. I AM SICK of Political Correctness, I am sick of the majority being our ruled by the minority by crooked politician’s. Democracy NORMALLY mean’s that the Majority rule’s and decide’s what the Majority should have to live with.
I AM SICK of one person having a problem w/ something & that one thing (GOD in School) (The Flag in School) being roberruled b/c of one jackazz. The PROBLEM’S we have today w/ kid’s, are caused b/c God & country have been kicked out of the school system. You jackazzes that have never been introduced to god, will one day wish you had for one. You should kick your parent’s in the azz for 2. You are a fool to believe that there is not a higher being that created this great life you live, or at the same time, you may actually be evolution and the MONKEY that you think you came from & act like.

janedoe15 8p– I agree with you pretty much. Whether or not God has anything against homosexuality, I guess we’ll see. YES, I know that it is in the scripture, so no replies to my statemnt please. I also believe that GOD does love you, I also believe that God will forgive ALL sin’s. How far, I don’t know.
ALL I do know or believe, is that if you are a reasonably good person, God is on your side. No one ever said that being hetrosexual made you the perfect person. We make mistake’s as anyone does. Which mistake’s will God forgive, I don’t know. Anyway, you sound like a good person. Do the best you can and NO ONE can ask for more. Explain your situation to God and maybe, just maybe, you can make him understand your plight?????????

So many fearful and unexamined minds.…. So many seemingly incapable of minding their own business. One can only wonder what within them propels them to try and suppress any less fearful than themselves… and call it moral principal rather than moral cowardice.

David — I’d bet that you still think that the majority in the U.S. are white. The fact is the majority in the U.S. are latino. And do you know that the largest negative influence on kids today is not due to the reasons you describe but to violence in the media? A typical child in the U.S. watches 28 hours of TV weekly, seeing as many as 8,000 murders by the time he or she finishes elementary school at age 11, and worse, the killers are depicted as getting away with the murders 75% of the time while showing no remorse or accountability. And what about all the violence they are bombarded with in music and video games? AND I’d bet you don’t know that the bible actually promotes slavery and the beating of slaves, and executing those who commit adultery. Or is it that you just pick and choose bible quotations that happen to fit your homophobic beliefs? My guess is that you’ve never actually taken the time to read Leviticus or Exodus. Read these books and you may realize that the bible was written by imperfect men, not God.

I believe in God, but the God I believe in loves all his children EQUALLY!

You do realize that “one nation under god” was added to the pledge in 1954 — after successfully being lobbied by religious groups. Our founding fathers never mentioned religion, except in exclusionary terms. Most of them were not even Christians but Deists. In fact, Thomas Jefferson had this to say about religion:

“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.” — Notes on Virginia

and

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.” — to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

Some other quotes…

“The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?” — John Adams

“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” — James Madison

If anything, the intent of our founding fathers was most likely to prevent the church from meddling in affairs of the state — religious factions from trying to impose their will over others. Though it seems a lot of people love revisionist history — even though facts clearly show different. So you see, your argument is severely flawed. Your religious beliefs are not backed by the Constitution, or even the views the majority of our founding fathers shared.

I hear conttantly the notion, “I don’t bring my sexualality to work so why should gays be allowed to talk about their lives openly?” Really? So the term husband, or wife isn’t a declaration of sexuality? Having a squadron or platoon picnic where family is invited to attend doesn’t celebrate heterosexuality, where the military pays people more for having a wife/husband and kids doesn’t shove your sexuality down my throat? Where you get to talk about the the great leave you had with your wife and kids at the office, but if I say my partner and I loved our visit to Austria I am shoving my sexuality in your face? Really? Anytime you say husband or wife you announce your sexuality, an children are the walking breathing examples of your having sex so don’t you dare tell me living opening shoves my sexuality in your face.

Dude, Since you’re quoting the bible let me direct your attention to Exodus 21:20 — 21 which states, “If a man beats his male or female slave and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is NOT to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. In addition, Leviticus 25:44 — 45 states, “Your male and female slaves are to come from nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” Do you believe these words to be true as well, or do you just pick and choose bible quotations that happen to align with your fears and homophobic beliefs?

The U.S. abolished slavery with the 13 Amendment to the Constitution in spite of the fact that slavery is promoted in the bible. I hope our government will have the wisdom and decency to provide equal rights to our gay brothers and sisters, including the right to openly serve in our armed forces.

You want to make a point … fine; but do not support it with BS from this organization whoo’s known beliefs and positions on this and other matters make them completely worthless !!!

I served in the Navy for over 20 years. Never did I discuss My sexual Orientation with any person I served with nor was it every discussed by any of the men I served with. Even though I am crisitian, I did not force my beliefs on anyone. I will tell you every time the gays in the military subject came up, the men did not approve. Most suggested they would no longer serve if forced to accept a new military policy on homosexuals serving. I am not stupid enough to believe that there were no gay people where I served, but they were respectful of other peoples beliefs and kept it to themselves. If you want to be gay be gay. You don’t have to annouce it to the world that you are gay or what you believe. Why is it that the gay community thinks that I should accept there beliefs, that I should approve their lifestyle. I don’t believe you should approve of mine.

Some of the people on here are crazy. Though I feel you should not be flambuoyant or flaunt your sexual preference, whether gay or straight. I don’t care about your exploits or the sex of the person you have them with,as no one should be at work discussing these matters anyway. If a homosexual person wants to fight alongside me on the battle field, what kind of idiot would I be to reject the assistance. A war has no sexual preference. A war doesn’t care who fights it. A war doesn’t care who lives or dies. Why should I? As long as you do your job, and do it well, why should I care who you go home to at night. So long as they are not hitting on me, I could care less, and that goes for gay or straight.
For all of you so called “religious people” who say gays are the scum of the earth because it is against God’s law, why don’t you keep reading. It is wrong to judge because only God has that right. You shuldn’t shack up, you shouldn’t be greedy, you shouldn’t be jealous, or mean, etc… You’re committing at least one of those sin’s I’m sure. Remember no one sin is greater than another, despite what you want to believe.

I am a happily married, Christian female, MSgt in the USAF and have fought for my fellow US citizens to enjoy their freedoms for just shy of 20 years now. I base my stance on this issue with the indisputable fact that we are ALL created with something very special, FREE WILL.

I freely choose to leave my loved ones so I may fight for all of you to exercise your free will. I fight so you may choose to be homosexual, to serve our country, to be a parent, to believe in Jesus as the one true God, your skin color (Michael Jackson). I even fight for the free will to choose your genital sex (Sarah Gronert) when God hasn’t chosen it for you.

Do I believe homosexuality is a sin? Yes, but so is gluttony, fornication, and idolatry. Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.” It is time we ALL get over our fears, earnestly seek TRUTH, and stop playing God!

We are all accountable for our choices in life and bear the responsibility for the consequences of such choices (both good and bad). I will continue to exercise my free will to fight for your freedoms, believe that homosexuality is a sin and most of all I choose not to discriminate.

Old my God, ask a black man to compare his rights with gay rights. Most of them would get mad! I cannot believe that you are quoting slavery with immorality…

You guys act like Gays & Lesbians have no control over their libidos. I’ve deployed w/Hetero and Homosexuals to the sandbox and when it was time to fight, we fought and when it was time to stand down we did. There was a lot of screwing in the desert, and guess who it was that was doing it? HETEROS! There has always been Gays & Lesbians in the military and there probably will be more in the future — if we are lucky — to defend this country of ours.

Is it any different when soldiers put pinup pictures of women on thier walls. I’ve worked with heterosexuals as well as homosexuals if they do their job I don’t have a problem with them. I just don’t want to hear about it or see it from either side. There is still a little thing called professionalism.

Please, Gays in the military? The President has many more BIG things to worry about. I don‘t think he knows enough to worry about the real issues. he needs to get in the real world and save our country everything else will take take of it‘s self. Wake up Oboma and smell the coffee. He wants us to get our minds off the real issues. thus far it seems to be working. Wake up American people. Don‘t fall into his traps. Judy Lavoie

Radar — You are an absolute idiot. I fear for your soul on judgement day.

You are correct that gay people are now sucessfully serving and some of them do not hide this fact very well. Right or wrong, good or bad it is simply stupid to expect that openly expressing your sexual orientation in the military will benifit anyone in a positive way.
Women are women, they can’t hide that fact any more than an individual can hide the color of their skin. It is also stupid to try and relate the issue of a “controlable behavior” with gender or race.
Don’t ask don’t tell is a perfect solution to a complex problem.

It wasn’t Barack that said that but Michelle; if I’d called Bush a dumb ass while he was the president, I’ll bet you would objected; the conservatives bashed us moderates and the liberals for criticizing Bush while he was President under the guise of “not supporting the troops;” I served with several gays (that I knew of) over the years, all of whom were highly, highly respected and admired for the work they did, often covered for them when things got tight, and they retired with many honors.

I’m a retired Army Colonel — and gay — who served honorably and quietly 30 years and was regularly praised for enhancing unit morale

Where is George Bush when you need to shift the blame? I am tickled and amazed how journalists defend the President for failing to keep his campaign promises. I guess words are more important than actions. I will see if my teacher gives me an A on the project that I am working on. I will promise her it will be great. Heck…let me just get credit for the rest of the year on school work. Do you think she will buy it? My point is that politicians will say anything to get elected…even the Great Obama. Hey, he said it, not Congress. Where is the accountability? It’s George Bush’s fault…I am sure.

In my opinion, allowing gays to serve openely is a slippery slope for pro-Gay Rights organizations to allow homosexual marriage in America on a federal level. Chaplians will be forced to marry gays and will lead to allowing martial benefits that hetrosexual couples recieve.

It will also further lead to brainwashing educational movement by NEA (already started in CA) to indoctrinate our children into believing homosexuality is normal sexual behavior and should be accepted by all or you will be charged with a hate speech or crime if you speak out against it. I am writing my Congressmen to vote against it. I think the majority fo Americans believe like me. Also AIDS (a virus spread primarily by (Homosexuals and IV users) could be reduced or eliminated if this kind of rogue unhealthy sexual behavior was stopped.

I agree with you 100 percent if you are gay then just do not tell people do your job and keep your private life private, if you wanna flaunt your gay then pack your duffle bag and get out of the military, I know plenty of people that would turn on gays in heart beat if they found out they were gay. once they were outed that was end of any respect friendship ect. the base I was on just booted 9 members out of the military, because they broke dont ask dont tell poilcy. the mps had to escort the members around because people were trying to hurt them. So who ever started this saying that gays are accepted in the military, or that people dont care obvily had a very narrow research catagory to choose from.

Most people forget that same sex sexual assualt happen alot in the MIL. Everyone has had that breif about it and it needs to be taken serously. Leave the policy in place.

OMG all you christian pukes make me wanna throw up in my cereal!!! Ya’ll all are going to hell hahahahaha.… Ya’ll are the most hypocritical people on the face of the earth! I hate all of yall and will laugh in your face when i see you burning in the pits of hell with satan himself! Unless you are God himself you have no right to tell someone they are wrong! So take yalls opinions and shove it way up in your ars hole!!! Cuz no one gives a *!%# about your beliefs in “God”!

Homosexuals want to have their rights about everything.….openly serving in the military, marriage, adoptions and the lists go on and on. The Homosexuals are 2% or less the total population of this country but yet they think they should have the same rights as heterosexuals. Get a life.…your lucky to live in this country. You may think that your going to get everything you were promised in the election, but it was the independents and middle of the road people who elected this president and he’s not going to upset the applecart. So all of you people get a life and shut up.

Radar — you are completely missing the point but I’m not at all surprised. People like you use the bible as an a la carte menu, picking and choosing quotations that fit their agenda and ignoring the rest. If you truly believe that the bible is the word of God then accept all of it! If you stand by your belief hat homosexuality is immoral because of a quotation in the bible then you must also believe in its promotion of slave ownership and the punishment of slaves, selling daughters into slavery, and also executing people for adultery, working on the Sabbath, or cursing their parents.

KEEP DADT: Start a program to put out all gays/lesbians with a severence package and benefits earned with a honorable discharge. New policy: require all, who before they enter the military/military schools to declare themselves not gay/lesbian i.e. straight.. Sign a statement to that effect. If found to be later gay/lesbian would justify a courts martial and dishonable dischage immediately. Problem solved. There are lots of jobs in the government where gays/lesbians can serve that are not in the military but working for the military or federal government. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!

We as a people need to focus on the economy and our men and women in combat. The President has more important issues to face. Personal lives should not be taken into the office at any time. Leave your personal life at that “PERSONAL”.

KEEP DADT: Follow up, one more thing. If the individuals higher education is paid for by the government or in Military Academy and the individual lied? Dishonorably discharge them and fine them and make them pay for that entire education or serve time in jail for it! FINISHED time!

I agree wholeheartedly!

If only this could be accomplished all would be saved and the military could just carry on. It appears to be just that simple.

If only Obama would read this. He should take a poll among all serving military and get a feel for how the servicemembers feel about the DADT policy! No reason to rush. He’s not rushing to help our troops and Gen McCrystle is he?

Anonymous Officer US Armed Forces, actively serving:
Your hate/fear motivated comments are simply baseless dreck. It’s apparent you’ve not spent a single day of your life in service of our great Nation. You owe all you are & all you have to every current & past serviceman/woman courageous & selfless enough to defend us all, even spineless cowards as yourself.

As an officer in command of men, who I’m proud to say are the embodiment the attributes of personal integrity & honor, I have been forced into making a conscious decision when confronted by condemning evidence of a soldier under my command of homosexuality.

I will not be the cause of endiing the career of a productive soldier w/ an impeccable service record, who has earned the respect of his fellow servicemen & upheld every virtue of what it means to be an American as well as an upstanding & honor-driven soldier due to his quite private & personal choice of sexuality he engages in behind closed doors. No different than what heterosexuals engage in behind our closed doors. You say you fear an “openly gay lifestyle” in the armed forces should “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” be repealed? Well, the fact is, any “lifestyle” that any soldier or sailor is permitted to live is outlined in their respective service’s guidelines — applicable to both Officer & Enlisted, men & women. Sexuality can not & does not pertain to how a servicemember acts. We can act only as a soldier/sailor — anything else has not, is not, nor will not ever be accepted. My soldier has, does, and will continue to act as such — it’s my expectation of him as well as every other.
Your intolerance is shameful, and anti-thema to the essence of what it means to be an “American”.

So you’ve never heard of a “gay animal”? There are many published studies available on homosexuality in animals. But my guess is that you prefer visual information over written information so I’ve attached the link to a video clip produced by National Geographic: http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​7​R​l​T​A​y​N​I​8WE
By the way — who were the “four fathers” that you mentioned and what exactly were their beliefs? LOL

For you idiots out there now talking about contracting HIV/AIDS from a ‘gay persons’ blood transfusion…News-Flash morons, you can get AIDS from a straight person too!!! Maybe you should just DIE now and get it over with you fools. And as for gays not having any rights…who are you to decide who has rights and who doesn’t? You have the right to speak your mind, as small as it is…and that is a God given and America given right!!

As A Marine (enlisted 5yrs, officer 9yrs), I have no problem with gays serving in the military. I have no problem with straight people serving in the military. But to both: I don’t want to hear about what you do in the bedroom. I don’t care, gay, straight, or if you’re some chick (or guy) who did the whole Fleet, keep that stuff to yourself, if possible. I simply think it is poor form to make private issues public.

Hey All,

The gay movement is very strong. It’s in every facet of our society. George Washington “drummed out” one of his officers for sexually assulting an enlisted man, so homosexuality has been in the US military since its inception. Some have said that the new generation is OK with this, and to go with the flow, accept it, and just be tolerant. I invite you all, to read Romans 1:25 in the Bible, just do it folks, The Book will not burn yours hands. We’ve changed, but God has not.

God bless,
Ray

People are fallible. Christian or not, all are fallible. So if you are looking for role models in TV Evangelists, you will be sorely disappointed, and they certainly do not represent the faith. Only one perfect person ever walked the Earth, and that would be Christ, and that’s where the term Christian comes from. Not Haggardians, or Swaggartians…Christians. I guess if you want to criticize, then see if you can find fault with Christ and do it with first-hand information…not based on something you saw on TV, or heard someone else say…no kidding read the Bible from cover to cover (recommend NLT version) and see what YOU think (not what other people think).

As for marriage, well, that’s like insisting we start calling all trucks “Planes” now. Sorry, we already have an object that we call a “Plane”. What you are asking for is something slightly different and should have a different name. Marriage is between a man and woman. SO…if you can come up with a different name for same-sex “marriage”, then there will probably be no objections; marketing 101 — call it something else and re-sell it.

it amazes me how many of you are so homophobic hows gives a ratsass if a gay serves as longs as he/ she does their job as good as the rest im not gay but wouldnt care if some one in my platoon was gay
CAPT Rangers HOOAH

Maybe the gays and lesbians should be but in institutions and get help like the rest of the sexual deviants and perverts.
Morale its wrong and un-natural. Two men or two women cannot reproduce naturally. Gay sex goes against what the human body was meant to do reproduce. Have you people forgot what you learned in biology about the reproductive organs? No gays in the Military!!

I think our new president equates this issue with the issue of racial equality. He never served in the military or shared a small room with a gay room-mate in his life. Abnormal sexual deviance does not fit in with good military behavior or norms. That is what homosexuality is. Racial diversity had and has nothing to do with it. Other races permitted in the military are or should be heterosexual. I think our president is really clueless on what he plans to do. It is nothing like the race issue 50 years ago. Maybe if he passes this law the US should force him to adopt two little lesbian orphan girls to become room-mates for his daughters’. Ample punishment for him trying to force gay room-mates on those serving honorably in the US military.

I always find it interesting how bible thumpers manage to pick and choose quotations from the bible tlike it’s an a la carte menu in order to support their personal prejudices and fears, but somehow see fit to overlook some of the other scary and outright inhumane quotations. I invite YOU to read Leviticus 20:10, Leviticus 25:44 — 45, and Exodus 21:20 — 21. These passages promote slavery and the beating of slaves, and the execution of adulterers and those who curse their parents. Those are just a few tidbits to start with — trust me there are many more. If you truly believe the bible to be the word of God then accept all of it, not just what happens to fit your homophobic agenda!

Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell hurts our country. Why should we kick out people that are talented at their jobs and often fill badly needed fields, like nurses and interpreters? The fact is that this law has never worked as advertised. Homophobic military brass pry into the lives of the people under them and kick people out who had no intention of “telling”. Women in particular fall victim to this, when the rebuff the advances of men in the military.

Sure they are free ti say what they want. They are not free to be in any position they want though.
If someone serving was espousing hatred of the USA, or calling for the assaination of governmenyt officilas, they would be out and likely in jail.

Homosexual conduct was a disease and listed as such in the DSM-II until removed following political pressure in the 70s. Not that I consider the DSM nor psychiatry a particularly credible source. Do you really want to go to war next to someone suffering a mental illness?

I’m all for repealing “don’t ask — don’t tell.” Go back to the pre-Clinton policy.

Semper Fi

PART 1: It’s simple: one either supports the Constitution or one doesn’t…and members of the military are sworn to defend it. They aren’t asked whether they’d like to serve with this person or that any more than they’re asked what color uniform they’d like to wear or what time they’d like to get up. That there are a few still in the military, even at the highest levels, permeated with bigotry against gay Americans makes DADT no more just nor justifiable than that of those who opposed servicemembers of color before President Truman ordered integration. [“If it were a question of having a Marine Corps of 5000 whites or 250,000 Negroes, I would rather have the whites.” — Marine Corps Commandant, Major-General Thomas Holcomb, 1941.]

PART 2: Research commissioned by the military itself, going back half-a-century, paid for by tax dollars has repeatedly demonstrated that the only obstacle to gay servicemembers serving openly as well as they have in silence is a lack of leadership. Mt. Obama said that himself in 2007. In June of this year, primordial DADT opponent and Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee Carl Levin declared: “[Any chance of repeal] requires presidential leadership. This cannot be addressed successfully without that kind of leadership.”

PART 3: Recruiters are having to resort to lowering physical and mental standards to meet their quotas; bars to enlistment of convincted felons have been eliminated, and foreign nationals are bribed with financial bonuses and citizenship to enlist. Meanwhile, some 4000 already-trained at great taxpayer expense gay servicemembers choose not to reenlist every year rather continue to be forced to live a lie. While a shortage of Arabic linguists contributed to the disaster of 9/11, and the shortage of linguists overall continues during our war on terror, Lt. Dan Choi, Iraq combat veteran and Arabic speaker is being kicked out…soley for being gay. Despite the millions of dollars spent to train him [and the millions that will be spent to train his replacement, 18-yr combat pilot veteran Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach is being discharged…solely for being gay. DADT is not just unAmerican…it weakens national security.

PART 4: Finally, with respect, Mr. McIntyre, you may be unaware of the unique power Congress gave the Presidency in 1983, but I assure you Mr. Obama is not. He needs NO action by the US Senate and/or House in order to invoke United States Code Title 10 § 12305 — “Authority of the President to Suspend Certain Laws Relating to Promotion, Retirement, and Separation”: “Notwithstanding ANY other provision of law, during any period members of a reserve component are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty under authority of section 12301, 12302, or 12304 of this title, THE PRESIDENT MAY SUSPEND ANY provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, OR SEPARATION applicable to ANY member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has urged the President to do just that. It is not that the President lacks a way to suspend discharges pending Congressional repeal; he only lacks the will.

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“Discrimination” against gays? There is more than one meaning to this abused word. A kid who avoids hoodlum friends is being discriminating. Keeping homosexuals out of a critical profession is also discrimination — positive discrimination. We don’t need tensions and distractions in our ships, planes, barracks, and foxholes. Pray for them? Sure. Welcome them into the military? Not on your life.

Speaking of revisionism.….……until 1972, homosexuality was the #1 sexual psychological disorder as classified by the American Psychological Association. The only reason that it is no longer classified as such is that in 1972 a study that was funded by a Gay rights organization and conducted by a predominantly Homosexual “cross section” of the APA, concluded that it was beneficial for them to remove it from the books. This action not only allowed for the members of this panel to come out of the closet, but also allow them to maintain the credibility of their positions. If ever their was a panel with personal interest at stake, this was it.

Now you can watch Gay’s portrayed on TV and movies an get a laugh, but the truth of the matter is that most, not all, truly Homosexual people, are psychologically imbalanced and have a strong tendency to display classifiable behavior, especially under stress. This brings us to their performance in combat situations. Which is questionable, at best.

Let me guess! You support immorality as well? You should be the one to fear for your soul. I support what is wrong and right. That does not seem to exist with people like you.

No my friend! You are reversing your ideology based on what you see is right or wrong. Here is the clear picture: SLAVERY is wrong, HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong, and so on… You use your secular agenda to reverse the Word of God, but that does not surprise me either as you mentioned. Also, the Bible does mention these things, but they are mere stories to bring glory to God. The Bible does mention that all men are created equal. I figure that you would go Bald if I provided more quotes…

He does have a point…

and you are a Rev.… WOW!

Got to love the video!!! LOL since animals don’t know better. Well, I guess that is the case for Gay humans as well. The four fathers are the founding fathers of America to include the main six “founding fathers” are most likely Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Adams, although which four could be drawn from that varies.

Their beliefs are Religion which Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics: C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (Episcopalian, after the Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists, the total number being 49. Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Thomas Jefferson[12][13] (who created the “Jefferson Bible”), and Benjamin Franklin[14]. However, other notable founders, such as Patrick Henry, were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of deists.[15]

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In relation to the subject of gay marriage. First, legal and ecclesiastical embrace of homosexual unions is more likely to undermine the institution of marriage and produce other negative effects than it is to make fidelity and longevity the norm for homosexual unions. We will come back to this later.
Second, and even more importantly, homosexual unions are not wrong primarily because of their disproportionately high incidence of promiscuity (especially among males) and breakups (especially among females). They are wrong because “gay marriage” is a contradiction in terms. As with consensual adult incest and polyamory, considerations of commitment and fidelity factor only after certain structural prerequisites are met. The vision of marriage found in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures is one of reuniting male and female into an integrated sexual whole. Marriage is not just about more intimacy and sharing one’s life with another in a lifelong partnership. It is about sexual merger—or, in Scripture’s understanding, re-merger—of essential maleness and femaleness.

Could you be any more ignorant or full of yourself? Discrimination is discrimination — regardless of whether you try to put a positive spin on it. Over 26 countries (most of them our allies) allow gays to openly serve — some of which I had the pleasure serving along side of in Iraq. I don’t remember any tensions or distractions. Your fears do not equate fact.

Homosexuals already serve in the military — filling roles critical to the military’s mission — whether that be as a corpsman, linguists, covering their fellow soldier’s back in the field, etc. They’ll continue to be professional in what they do, but without fear of being *** canned due to this unAmerican policy, known as DADT, every day they come to work because of what they choose to do in outside of work, behind closed doors.

While I’m sorry you were taken advantage of, it’s hardly a reason to justify DADT. What the guy did was a crime, and is not unique to any sexual orientation. There were over 2,900+ rape cases across all branches in 2008 alone. Should we ban straight males from the military since they committed the majority of those rapes?

Nicely stated Intelguy. My personal opinion is that many of the “gay” people pressing for open service are more interested in making a statement than eradicating prejudice. These loud talking, rallying types seem to tarnish the valid arguments of others.

In 1983, Congress passed United States Code 10–12305:

“Authority of the President to Suspend Certain Laws Relating to Promotion, Retirement, and Separation: Notwithstanding ANY other provision of law, during any period members of a reserve component are serving on active duty pursuant to an order to active duty under authority of section 12301, 12302, or 12304 of this title, THE PRESIDENT may suspend ANY provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to ANY member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States.”

Even DADT…and he doesn’t need a single vote in Congress to do it. Nothing would accelerate full repeal faster. There’s a way. All Obama needs is the will. http://​www​.leonardmatlovich​.com

I find the open bigotry and hate in the posts below astonishing. It was exactly that type of thinking that was used to justify keeping patriotic black Americans out of the military. The time for open military service for gay Americans is NOW. There will always be bigots. We need to push past them to do the right thing. …and justice for ALL…

or maybe homophobic people like you should be in an institution because ur homophobia is really just a way of saying your a big ol MO and you just dont know how to come out the closet… they have groups and meeting to help you with that now… maybe you should attend…

guess what “Mother Nature” lol gays are in the military… have been… always will be… just sit and wait for the day when we have the same rights as anyother person in the military like it should be… we arent asking you to sleep with us… lol we just want the rights we deserve… what we do in our homes is of none of your concern… all we want are rights!!!!

omgosh the stupidity of some people… REALLY… who are you or anyone else for that matter to say we dont deserve to have rights as any other American? What exactly is this “normal” you speak of? back in the day blacks weren’t “normal” hints why we werent allowed in the military or even allowed to do anything other then cook and clean.… WOMEN weren’t considered “normal” they were considered trophies,cooks, babymakers, never to be even looked at for anything that fell under the category of a “mans job“
have you ever been in the military?

you couldnt because if you had then you’d know that there are many openly gay people there ALREADY who do their job better then some “normal” people Me as a woman with a WIFE if I choose to go back to the military then my wife as well as OUR children deserve the same benefits as any other military family we deserve that right.if you dont like gays then you should probably stop going outside PERIOD BECAUSE WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!! maybe move to iraq?? you should really consider!! there are aids tests in the military if you are found with the infection you will no longer BE IN THE MILITARY you cant be in the military with the infection

OPPOSITE SEX ASSAULT HAPPENS TOO… SHOULD WE ALSO MAKE A LESBIAN MILITARY… A GAY MILITARY.. A STRAIGHT WOMEN MILITARY… A STRAIGHT MEN MILITARY???

WELL WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE PEOPLE? AND THE BLACK PEOPLE? OH DFANG DONT FORGET THE MEXICANS AS WELL AS ANYTHOER RACE.… LETS JUST SPLIT THE MILITARY INT OALL TYPES OF BS AND TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT HTHE REASON FOR IT… TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY.. WHO CARES WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THERE HOMES WHEN THEY ARE OFF WORK????

WE DESERVE AS MANY RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE… GET OVER IT… BECASUE ITS GOING TO HAPPEN!!

Can you defind morality? And by what moral laws should a person live? Should our very biological make-up play a part in sexual activity?

I was a USMC Recruiter when DADT came into effect. I could of cared less & those who didn’t want to enlist homosexuals were directed to send them my way. Why didn’t I care? Because I knew that I would retire as a Recruiter & wouldn’t have to put up with all the BS headaches that will occur as DADT gravitated to “openess” . The agenda is much deeper than being portrayed to the public. The legal groups supposedly fighting to end DADT are doing so with a big payday projection as everytime some open homosexual is supposedly discriminated against or harassed by some young hetro stud, lawsuits will be flying. Military leaders have enough on the plate without adding to plate with a social experiment which will have minimal if any positive impact on our combat forces. In addition, ending DADT may up the suicide and desertion rates as the young homosexual finds out that military life is not as expected & the “get out of jail free card” is no longer an option.

What is the plan for latrines, barracks, and showers? Males are not allowed to share a shower, bunk, or latrine with the females so gay soldiers should not be allowed to shower or bunk with the same sex. I won’t shower with a gay dude who gets a hard-on looking at my rear in the shower. All hell is going to break loose if the don’t ask don’t tell policy is removed. That’s a fact.

The great Palm Center study indictes some 20% would not have enlisted or will not reenlist if homosexuals are allowed to serve openly. Anyone think that the homosexual population will fill the gap? The number of homosexuals (many have put themselves on report) booted out is nominal compared to those kicked-out because they like to eat (food) too much or their physical characterstics naturally lead to weight gain . So, do fat bodies have a right to remain as long as they can meet minimum physical fitness testing?

You’re missing the point once again Radar. The correct term is Forefathers, not “four fathers” as you apparently believe. LOL

who are you to shove your straightness down my throat????Im sicker then an ANIMAL? get real your the sick animal… im sure withthe way you talk you think women should keep their place in the kitchen? barefoot and pregnant as well? and african americans? yea should we be only allowed to cook and clean??? no one is shoving anything down your throat… we want our voices to count just as much as yours do… to be free to marry who we want and if we decide to join the military have our family have the same benefits as any other military family… just like you deserve that.… I DESERVE THA AS WELL.. we are in a free country… when we get our rights… maybe you should try iraq.… I hear they think the way you do… you’ll fit right in=]

well lets see there RADAR.. IM A BLACK LESBIAN… ITS THE SAME THING!! you are judging what you think you know about homosexuals… you think we choose to be who we are??? to have idiots like you in our faces? deal with hate crimes… abandonment from family and friends?? YEA WE LOOOVVEEEE THAT!!!! we are who we are… no one is asking you to have sex with us or even look our way… we dont care… we deserve rights along with everyone esle… who are you to deny me my rights?
Our voices are finally being heard… so just stand by… its only a matter of time.

Only one way to deal with this: have a vote. If a majority of the armed forces want to have openly homosexual folks serving with them, let them. If not, let heterosexuality be the norm. If you want to smoke a pole, soldier, don’t tell me or accost me; keep it to yourself. You do your thing on liberty and I will do mine. I spent 26 years in uniform and was accosted maybe 4 times, and knew of a few gays in most commands. The militant ones got the shit beaten out of them, the non preachy ones were just fine to call shipmates. Live and let live, but flamboyant *********** is detrimental to morale and unit cohesiveness.

Nice job on the cut and paste Radar — but this says nothing of the core beliefs of America’s founding fathers. The fact that you had to do a cut & paste is probably due to the fact that you don’t know the answer and tried unsuccessfully to research it. I invite you to read the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. The fact that many of the founding fathers were deists is evident in these documents. You may want to look up the definition of deist while you’re at it as well. Hopefully this will enlighten you.

Now go do your homework — you’ll be glad you did! This will be my last response to you.

Good Luck Radar! Over and out!

ok so gays and lesbians have rights?? The fat people and old people have rights to!! Dont kick someone out cause their overweight, hey maybe they cant help it!! Dont kick someone out cause their old they have rights too!!
People in wheel chairs have rights too give them a desk job in the Military so they can serve!!The mentally challenged have rights too, Im sure the Military can find a job for them.
How about we just open the Military up for ANYBODY who wants to serve!!

What are you trying to say. SEX with another is wrong even if you call the a New Yorker. This doesnt disprove the homosexuality is wrong.

Another conspiracy theory, nice.

The APA adopted a resolution in 2007 as well, citing there is no scientific evidence that therapy can make gay people straight. This came after a 83 English-language, peer-reviewed studies from 1960 to 2007. It’s not just the APA that has taken this stance, but all other major world health organizations — most of which have never listed it as a disorder to begin with.

One could argue the only reason the APA ever consider this a psychological order to begin with (without strong scientific evidence) is because of the “reparative therapy” approaches embraced by a small but dogged group of therapists (most of which probably strong religious convictions) — which has been shown to increase the likelihood of suicide.

Gays already serve in the military, and it appears they’re doing just fine in combat. The notion that their performance in combat situations would somehow be sub-standard or jeopardize others is just ridiculous, and has no factual basis. Over 26 countries allow gays to openly serve in the military, and they seem to be doing just fine as well. I had the pleasure of serving along side some of these individuals in Iraq — they were professional in their jobs, and I wouldn’t hesitate for a minute to serve along side them again.

The military has been open to just about anybody for decades, in case you never noticed. If you meet the requirements and swear the oath, there is a place waiting for you. Gay and lesbians currently serving in the military already meet those requirements, and will continue to if they’re allowed to do it openly, as well.

Nice sarcasm though.

That study was completed in January of 2003 — it’s now 2009. More recent studies don’t show near such a grim view. But there will always be bigots.

Also, as the PFA Coordinator for my command, I find the last part of your post a bit amusing. Comparing overweight individuals to gay and lesbians is laughable a best — considering we already have gays and lesbians serving in the military and they meet the same standards and requirements as everyone else. Also, if you don’t meet the prescribed weight standards you’ve already failed your physical fitness test; therefore, you never met the minimum standards.

Im just saying if you let one special group of people in then you cant decriminate you have to let them all in.Where does it stop?/
Like I mentioned all those people have rights too, just like the gays and lesbians crying they have rights. Dont discriminate!!

Has anyone ever considered the safety of those that are at risk? I could care less if they served but as far as openly being homosexual and expecting everyone to just fall in line and leave them alone is a real pipe dream. Dont ask dont tell keeps people safe from those that will hurt them if they find out.

Durning bootcamp… I remember a kid with rather feminine trats always taking longer showers than everyone. It quicky became obvious that this kid had a 50 man peep show for a few months. Towards the end of boot camp he was made an example of. Allowing this type of behavior in forced close quarters in the field and at home is just sick!! Establishing the Don’t ask, Don’t tell policy was a TOTAL mistake to start with, but openly allowing gays to serve is just disgusting. Once that closet door is further opened, many gays will join and parade their life style with all the protection afforded them under the UCMJ. What then… an all gay squardon? I’ve noticed a few openly gay commanding officers in the news lately (being discharged). How can they command and give discipline on this issue when they are gay themselves?

Repeal DADT already. Too many have used it as a free ride home without bad paper when military life gets too complicated for their twisted world.

There would be no military with out gay people. period. It makes me sad that some of you people on this website are so eager to infringe on the rights of honest, law abiding (put that child molester idea away and read a book…it’s just not true), American people. Did you join the country to uphold our constitution or wield a gun while pretending you are wearing a Klan robe? Your time is over. Move outta the way bigots.

Ever seen a gay bar near a military base on a weekend evening? It would close without the base. Get real.

Again, your homophobic fears do not equate fact. Your entire post lacks any factual basis.

Over 26 countries allow openly gay and lesbian individuals to serve, and they seem to be doing just fine. In fact, I’ve had the pleasure to serve with such individuals over in Iraq. Just what type of behavior are you referring to in the field? In my experience, they were just as professional and capable as anyone else — even more so in some cases.

No, what is disgusting is that bigotry like this is tolerated.

Why should the UCMJ have to be edited to appease a tiny minority so that the president can repay a political debt? Remember that article 125 explicitly forbids sodomy. Why should it have to be rewritten just for the gays? Why are they always pushing for special rights? When integration took place and women were heavily recruited to fill jobs formerly performed by male troops the moral standards were not lowered. The first homosexual discharged for sodomy was during the revolitionary war and was approved by General Washington. Having said that gays that are serving now are not bothered as long as they are professional in their jobs and discreet in their personal behavior. Don’t ask, don’t tell is working and should not be repealed so President Obama can make good on a campaign pledge he made in return for monetary help from the gay community. Isn’t that the exact “special interests” influence that Obama promosed to end? Can the gay community really buy the end of a military tradition and discipline in exchange for cash?

All I am saying is would they let you in the girls locker room if you are a man, and if they do let you in around all those hot naked girls you don’t care right???? Well seems to me that is the basic scenario we are dealing with, we seperate the genders because of sexuality otherwise what is the point. So when a man or woman is attracted to the same sex, and around those who they are attracted to it seems to defeat the purpose; in a sense it is almost a special privelage to be naked and live around those you are attracted too. That being said Gay or Straight STFU and do your job, and be gay or straight on your own damn time just like the thing says “don’t ask don’t tell”. I don’t need to advertise my sexual prefrence, and neither do most people they just do what they do.

Being there is no citation, we’ll just have to take the “other studies” claim with a grain of salt. To serve with homosexuals or not to serve is not a matter of bigotry but of a choice of whom one wants to be associated with.

Amusing is that during my 20 in the USMC I witnessed many overweight Marines who consistently scored 1st class PFT’s, could hump hills with the best & were combat proven but received tickets for 1st civ div regardless. Was not so farking amusing PFA Coordinator (whatever hell service that belongs to) so forgive me if my heart doesn’t bleed for the sweetpeas who can’t live up to the deal they made when they signed the papers.

No you are wrong… There are plenty of fags in Iraq… You know, men loving on men which is common over there. They only consider women for reproduction and men for pleasure. Also, you are shoving your way of life by your sick ideology. What does a parent say to their kids when they ask I see Martin and him holding hands. UHHH! OHHH! Yeah Son, they are natural. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Test Reply.…

Sorry, I will never accept that, but I expect things to get worst before they will bet better.

Oh, I carry a copy of the Constitution which I thought you would love the copy and paste. Time is to much of a commodity to make a research paper of this. It seems senseless to discuss these matters to a diluted mind. May God Bless You!

Plain and simple, you twist and quote the scriptures to fit your lifestyle, not Gods.…

I don’t see the twist there. Those quotations CalVet referenced are definitely in the bible. Have you bothered to read them? The bible was written by mortal men, not God.

Wow! I’m absolutely amazed at how hateful some of these comments are, especially coming from folks who say they are religious. It’s no wonder why the world is in turmoil when people can’t even be civil toward one another as comrades in arms, co-workers, neighbors, or anonymous bloggers. Come on folks! As human beings sharing the same planet we are all interested in the same thing — THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

I have known and respected the service of many gays serving in the military. If they are patriotic citizens what does sexual orientation have to do with serving the country? As a veteran and parent of a son on his 5 th deployment I cannot understand excluding these patriotic Americans from helping fight the war on terriorism. At a time when many of our “straight” soulders and families are war– weary, ow can we not accept the honor and willingness of others to serve and help share the heavy load if they are willing. Perhaps congress needs to check on how many of their members are actually gay and issue a law barring them from their service to the country. If a private poll were taken of those who were/are past or present members of the armed forces and their “stellar” records considered. I am sure this would be a mute point. Time to stop bowing to the militant judgemental right.

Thanks for your comments. I served in the military for 22 years and I figured I could tell who was gay and who wasn’t. Who cares anyway? We all served together and had better camaraderie than any civilian job I have ever held. But I will be honest with you — I prefer the “don’t ask, don’t tell” ruling. It is a far cry better than disallowing gays to serve. They should have the same ruling for heterosexual practices. Why would I want to know what ANYONE is doing in their own personal time? I think this is covered in the sexual harassment rulings. And then there is not an issue. If we don’t know, we never have to question if there is an issue. In fact, I was once quartered with a group of women and one was openly lesbian. (I suppose not following the rules.) She seemed a little more forward than she would have been had she not told us about her partner. Maybe it was my imagination because she was so open about it. I was somewhat uncomfortable at times, but I would still want her on my team as far as her personality, work ethic and dedication. I just let it be known loud and clear that I was straight.

Men of God.…

Love em all, but God is clear, we are to show everyone Christ’s love and be a good example as to being a light in the world. God is not only love but justice, and he has commanded this lifestyle is wrong, the bible says his judgement is swift. Pray they will change, for being on the wrong end of God’s judgement, or no life of Christ building when you are at judgement day, will be sad and you will also then be greatly ashamed.

CalVet, God did not manifest any of those items you mentioned that are in the bible(“slaves, selling daughters into slavery, and also executing people for adultery, working on the Sabbath, or cursing their parents”). That is a history of man’s poor use of the gift of life. God gave you and I a “free will”. What we do with that “free will” determines how he will judge us. The bible reveals history, and truth, and great expectation. Man wants to understand all now, and thinks he can, but God has clerly laid out a timeline and a day in glory for all and a way to Him, no matter where one was on that timeline. Blessed are you and I because we came after God gave his Son, Jesus Christ to show us the way to our Father.

I’m a disable retired Vet. and was in the Navy for 18yrs. I enjoyed the Navy but it was the most dishonoable
and sick people i ever had to deal with. I still have night mares and mental problems becauses of this.
I was told, I was not a team player. I don’t get credit for alot of jobs i did because of this. This is WRONG.

I too am a disabled Vet. I enlisted after the Vietnam protest era, which only ratified my belief in the strength of this country. Our individual voices were heard,our represenatives actually represented what we thought an beleived in. In the last 15 –20 years lobby firms buy their way into the inner circle of our legislators so that the opinions of the corporations and right wing are the only voices heard. Religious beliefs are and should be individual, and not part of the basis for an institution like the military. The sooner we eliminate this policy the sooner our country may regain it’s status and former reputation as a world leader championing individual freedom.

Thompson — Thank you, I’m glad you get my point., well sort of anyway The bible is not the word of God. It was written by imperfect men, not God. This is precisely why I have a problem with people who pick and choose quotations from it in order to justify their agendas, whether it be slavery in the past, or discrimination against our gay brothers and sisters in the present. God is love and love is the only true reality, the rest is all an illusion manifested by man.

Man, this is the strangest rationale I have heard in a long time. You are saying that they are non-entities of the state because they don’t produce future taxpayers. Wow. Do they pay taxes? They should get the benefits of the state. Are you telling us that a person that decides to remain single and not marry should not have rights? How about couples who decide not to have children? My goodness your logic is flawed. Anyway, some family probably had 7 or 8 children — that should cover my contribution.

I will not address the issue of gays in the military. I will however focus on the authors premise that it is not Obama’s fault that he is not keeping his promise since the congress makes laws, not the president. That is true but it ignores two points.

1. He made a promise if he did not have the ability to keep that promise why was he making it.

2. While he does not make the laws he certianly has the ability to influence (not control) both houses that are controled by Democrats.

So the idea that he is not keeping his promise is just not valid and the person making that argument is either blinded by worship of the individual. lying, or just plain stupid.

You know Radar I’ve seen a few of your posts on this blog and I can’t figure out if you’re just an ignorant adolescent, for whom there may still be some hope, or just an old uneducated moron.
Four Fathers?!!! LOL Give me a break! You’re out of your league here. Go back to school and get an education.

This article was interesting, but inaccurate. The president does have the power as Commander In Chief to issue an order to end DADT. Just like Truman did with the desegregation of troops.

Well, I’m straight and need to say my say.

The gay people — especially the guys — with all their hand waving and goofey talk;

What the f%&@!

You know, I can deal with Al Kadia and the Taliban; but, no gays…

… they would kick my ass; because, they are clever.

They are UnAmerican Commies!

They hate America!

They do wierd sexual things … guess.

Although my wife wanted to do something wierd the other night.

I just feel so stupid and lost.; and, I hope I can understand the world and reality.

It just seems so complex.

God Bless.

Actually, my last comment was a joke.

Just messing with you insecurses on here.

LOL!

It is about respect.

No matter if you are straight or gay, in this country, if you give respect to your fellow Americans we can get the job done.

Let’s fight for America instead of against each other.

Should the Military band gays from ranks, then 3/4 of the the Military would be leaving us. Get real.

You could be right. Years ago I had a real good friend, or so I thought. Well, he came out of the closet and tried to get fresh with me. That was it, I told his co-workers on the ranch where he worked and they saddled up their horses and dragged him off the ranch. If I don’t know that you are a queer I will respect you, but once you come out of the closet I lose all respect for you. I’m sorry but that is just the way I am. The military needs the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. We don’t need to know who is queer and who isn’t. You leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone. Personally I would rather have a daughter in a whorehouse than having a son that is queer.

We all know that even under the current DADT policy that there are gays in the military. But it should be exactly that. DADT!!!!! Nobody wants to hear about it. If you decide to tell everyone then you get what you deserve. I dont think sexual exploits need to be heard no matter which side they come from straight or gay, and yes i am sure that gay guys in the military can possibly fight just as hard as straight ones but I also saw some gay ones that were in my husbands unit that were total worthless crybaby shitbirds. I could have beat them down they had no business in the CORPS. DADT keeps everything on an even playing field and thats where it needs to stay in order for every marine or soldier to have faith in their brother fighting beside them. That is what keeps our military strong. Obama is trying to find every way to weaken our country and our military. Our people, our country and our military cannot let that happen. Stay strong and united until 2012 when that Joke is out of office along with his minion.

I have been hit on several times by lesbians that no matter how many times I told them that I did not swing that way they woul not let up or back off. They kept on and kept on until I had to get downright nasty with them to get my point across that I was not at all interested in girls. Then when they accused me of being mean I had to point out that, that is what it took to make them back off. 99% of the gays and lesbians that I have come across have been extremely flamboyant and in your face trampling all over your personal rights. Not caring one bit about your feelings. In the cosmetology business the gays I have been around have been the biggest most irritating drama queens you have ever seen. And people wonder why people don’t want to give them the same kind of rights. The ones I have been around have been extremely sexually deviant. So dont preach to me about right wing religious nut jobs. We did not judge homosexuality, it was already judged by God. We are not homophobes, we are discerning christians who know the difference between right and wrong and are not afraid to teach it to our children. As for me and mine we will never be PC.

WELL,I AM GLAD I AM NO LONGER IN THE MILITARY AND DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS PERSONALLY. I THINK ‘DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL’ IS JUST FINE. I WAS IN DURING ‘NAM..THE OLD WAY WAS FINE ALSO. I DIDN’T NEED TO KNOW SOME FETISH SOMEONE HAD, ANYMORE THAN I WOULD NEED TO KNOW SEXUAL ORIENTATION AS LONG AS THEY KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES AND OFF BASE !!..SO THIS FRENZY TO TELL EVERYONE THEY ARE HOMOSEXUALS AND FORCE OTHERS TO ACCEPT IT IS WRONG AND SHOULD NOT BE…BUT MY REASON FOR WRITING IS TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE “BIBLE SCHOLARS” WHO HAVE SUCH “OPINIONS” ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS…I AM SURE THAT THOSE ‘MUSH HEADS’ WILL NOT ACTUALLY CHECK THIS OUT, IT WOULD TAKE SOME EFFORT AND A TRUE BELIEF THAT GOD SAYS WHAT HE MEANS AND MEANS WHAT HE SAYS…THE BIBLE WAS WRITEN BY MEN UNDER INSPIRATION FROM GOD..THERE MAY BE MIS-INTERPRETATIONS BROUGHT ABOUT BY MAN’S TINKERING, BUT THE ORIGINAL WAS INSPIRED BY GOD…YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT OR NOT, I DON’T CARE..(The vast majority of the original texts are what we have today. Important doctrinal truths have not been lost. That is not wishful thinking, it can be proven..if one cares to do so) BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO DENIGRATE THE BIBLE THEN AT LEAST KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT !! A FOOL IS WISE IN HIS OWN EYES…THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS AN ABOMINATION AND WHAT ISN’T IS NOT THE QUESTION. IT IS WHO IS IT AN ABOMINATION TO !! AND WHY ? WHEN HOMOSEXUALITY IS SAID TO BE AN ABOMINATION, IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD…you must read the context…(I know this is difficult for you jelly brains)…WHEN IT SPEAKS OF FOODS, IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO “THE PEOPLE” in other words a health ordinance…LOBSTER IF NOT PREPARED CORRECTLY CAN KILL YOU AS WELL AS SHRIMP ETC. PORK HAS BACTERIA AND ‘ORGANISMS’ THAT MUST BE COOKED OUT.…RABBIT CAN ONLY BE EATEN SAFELY ONLY DURING A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR…THEREFORE IT MADE SENSE THEN (and I think now also) TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE THINGS…IN ADDITION, THE WORDS FOR ABOMINATION ARE DIFFERENT IN HEBREW ONE MEANS “FILTHY, POLLUTED” THE OTHER IS FILTHY AS IN “IDOLATRY”…IN OTHER PLACES WHERE FOOD IS DISCUSSED IT IS CALLED ‘CLEAN’ OR ‘UNCLEAN’ THIS IS ALSO TRUE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT…(Some rules for food as well as rituals were strictly ceremonial and for Israel only, if one cares to read the book of Acts and other Epistles you will see this) AND AS FAR AS ‘JUDGING’ ONCE AGAIN, ONLY THE FOOLISH HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE..WE ARE TOLD TO ‘JUDGE’ ACTIONS AND ACTIVITY IN I CORINTHIANS, 5 AND 6 YOU WILL READ ABOUT JUDGING ACTIONS OF OTHERS, NOT CONDEMNING, THAT IS GOD’S DECISION, BUT YES WE ARE TO JUDGE BEHAVIORS AS RIGHT OR WRONG..AND BEFORE YOU WINDBAGS BEGIN TELLING ME I SHOULDN’T CALL YOU NAMES, SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES AND READ WHAT CHRIST SAID TO THE PHARISEES AND PAUL TO THE HIGH PRIEST ..BEFORE HE KNEW WHO THE HIGH PRIEST WAS…PAUL LATER APOLOGIZED FOR HIS DISRESPECT, BUT HIS ACCUSATION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN CORRECT…SO BEFORE YOU START THROWING AROUND SCRIPTURE WITH ABANDON, REPEATING THE SCRIPTURAL IGNORANCE [ALMOST WORD FOR WORD] OF BARACK OBAMA, TRY AND GO A STEP FURTHER AND CHECK YOUR FACTS AND TRY THINKING FOR YOURSELVES!…Signed Jarhead…

The military is not here to serve only within certain people’s religious beliefs. It is here to serve the country as a whole. That includes giving the same rights to ALL of our citizens, not just the ones that have historically been more socially accepted.

As for the poster who posts about how all gays and lesbians are trying to push their sexuality on you, you are an ignorant fabricator of what you want the truth to be so it may suit your own ideals.

TO PIRATE GIRL..
YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH !!!! I WAS C.I.D. IN THE MARINES.…I WAS DATING A “W.M” (Woman Marine)..AND SHE TOLD ME THAT AT NIGHT AFTER ‘LIGHTS OUT’ THE LESBIANS TOOK OVER THE BARACKS AND FORCED ALL OF THE STRAIGHT WOMEN TO A FAR CORNER AND THEN PARTIED (Had Sex?) until they were ready to let the Straight (REAL) WOMEN back to their racks.….[She said that they (the Lesbians) were built like fooball players and intimidated the [REAL WOMEN IN THE UNIT] I TOLD HER THAT IF SHE REPORTED THIS ACTIVITY THAT I COULD KEEP HER I.D. SECRET, BUT SHE WAS SO AFRAID THAT EVEN THOUGH WE WERE VERY CLOSE AND HONEST WITH EACH OTHER SHE REFUSED OUT OF FEAR !!!! THIS DIDN’T HAPPEN WITH THE GUYS AS WE WOULD HAVE KICKED ASS AND TAKEN NAMES…THE MAJORITY OF MILITARY PERSONNEL ARE STRAIGHT !!! AND DO NOT WANT A HOMOSEXUAL AS A “BUNKIE” GET IT !!??.…IF YOU ARE A HOMOSEXUAL, SHUT UP AND BE GLAD FOR “DON’T ASK DON’T TELL” Signed Jarhead…

As a Drill Sergeant I had Privates report to me that one of their peers, while on fireguard at night would go around and shine a flashlight on their private regions as they slept. I was able to eventually kick the turd out. There was a incident at Ft, Campbell where a soldier dating a preoperative “tranny” (transvestite) was killed by his barracks mates. For those of you who believe a homo should be allowed in the military, research the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). There are members now in the White House who believe that sex with young children is justified. I believe that this type of behavior is deviant in nature, what’s next…having sex with pets? I believe that gays should be recognized with a 10% discount off of vaseline.

Michael, I don’t care if you are gay. It is against my religion. I do not shove my religion down anyones throat, so why should I have to be forced to serve next to an openly gay person.

HEY SHAWN,
ARE YOU JUST PLAIN STUPID ?.…DON’T ASK DON’T TELL IS WORKING JUST FINE !! UNLESS THERE IS AN AGENDA, WHY PUSH “IN YOUR FACE” HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE MILITARY ?!.…OVER 60% OF AMERICANS (military Types, One Each)..ARE AGAINST IT…I CAN ONLY DEDUCE THAT YOU ARE DELUSIONAL…BUT PLEASE DON’T “PISS DOWN MY BACK AND TELL ME IT IS RAIN” I ALSO THINK THAT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY.…BUT THEN AGAIN STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED…“IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T TRY TO FIX IT” ‘ME THINKS’ YOU ARE A “GOOF” Signed Jarhead

Homosexuality is incompatable with good military order. Besides, the homosexuals don’t necessarily want to serve, they want official recognition of their lifestyle. Homosexuality is a chosen and perverted lifestyle and is not the same as skin color.

Im sorry… but i honestly dont even believe that story about lesbians bullying the straight girls… that is idiotic… omgosh you people have this view that gays just wanna turn someone straight gay… lmao… get over yourselves!!!! all we want is our rights… WE DESERVE RIGHTS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN… AM IRIGHT???? NO ONE IS PUSHING OUR AS YOU PEOPLE CALL IT “GAYNESS” DOWN YOUR THROATS… GIVES US THE RIGHTS WE DESERVE AND WE WOULDNT HAVE TO RALLY TOGETHER OR DO MARCHES OR ANYTHING ELES… GIVE US OUR RIGHTS… JUST LIKE I DONT WANT SOMEONE THROWING THEIR RELIGION IN MY FACE.. WE HAVE NO PLANS TO FLAUNT OUR WAYS TO YOU… JUST LIKE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO WALK AROUND WITH A CROSS AROUND YOUR NECK OR CARRY A BIBLE IN YOUR HAND AND NOT BE BULLIED WE DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HOLD OUR PARTNERS HAND AND BE ABLE TO MARRY WHO WE ARE IN LOVE WITH.

AND TO THE GIRL THAT CLAIMS THAT WOMAN JUST KEPT ASKING HER OUT AND YOU HAD TO GET DOWN RIGHT RUDE… HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO DO THAT TO A GUY? HAVE A GUY THAT JUST WONT GIVE UP EVEN THOUGH YOUR NOT INTERESTED??? SO HAVE i AND IM A LESBIAN… THATS LIFE… YOUR FLIPPING OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN… BUT MEN DO THE SAME… IF THATS THE CASE AND YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULD JUST GET OUT THE MILITARY AND THE WORLD PERIOD… BECAUSE JUST LIKE A MAN CAN APPROACH ANY WOMAN A WOMAN CAN DO THE SAME… GET REAL!!!

YES LGBT CHOOOSSEEEE TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO IGNORANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. WE CHOOOSSEEE TO HAVE OUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS DISOWN US… WE CHOOSSEE TO D OTHIS WE CHOOSSEE TO DO THAT… NO MAAM… I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ATTRACTED TO WOMEN… ASK MY FAMILY THEY WILL TELL YOU… NO I WASNT ABUSED OR DONE WRONG BY SOME MAN AND I JUST GAVE UP ON MEN… I HAVE NEVER BEEN ATTRACTED TO THEM AND I NEVER WILL BE. I CHOOSE TO NOT BE ABLE TO MARRY THE WOMAN I LOVE… I CHOOSE TO HAVE PEOPLE FOR EVER JUDGING ME… I CHOOSE.… NOTHING.. THAT IS A LOAD OF CRAP IF I EVER HEARD IT. WE ARE AMAERICANS WHO DESERVE RIGHTS. WE DESERVE THE RIGHTS AS ANY “NORMAL’ PERSON. STAND BY… ITLL HAPPEN=]

I have served for nearly 10 years now. Including 2 tours in iraq and afganistan. I can honestly say as a straight man that i don’t have a single problem with the gay community. If they want to choose to put on the uniform, go through the training, sit in a foxhole ready to fight with me i applaude their efforts. But as all who have served know, we already have enough stress on our plates and “dont ask dont tell” is just something less we have to worry about. As long as you do your job, and give it all you have all for you. Just don’t openly come out and flaunt your sexuality, it adds worry and doubt where it shouldn’t be.

To be honest, the percentage of gays in the military is already overwhelmingly much higher than in the civilian population. I know there is no actual data on this, but from my own experience and emperical evidence and even talking with those in the military, gays represent a huge percentage of the military. Why do we pretend it’s not the case when we all know it is?

I’m a gay man not stereotypical in the least spent 8 years as a backcountry ranger with the NPS and 2 more as a police officer in Montana. People say they would never guess I’m gay. When I do “come out” to people, my experience is the straight guys are the ones who put the moves on me, and are always trying to check me out, not the other way around. In fact, this was so common with me, I grew up assuming everyone was either gay or bi. I still believe that. I never hit on straight guys in my life, it’s ALWAYS the other way around. Once a straight guy knows you’re gay, they think they are going to get great sex without any resistance. Fact. Deal with it. The issue isn’t with openly gay men, the issue is with immoral horny straight guys.

Johnny, have heard about this issue with gay males. I’m a female so can’t say much about this on my end. I don’t ever recall being attracted to a lesbian but the male sex drives opperates on a whole different level than females–there’s the entire alpha male (prison sex) scenerio that is demonstrated throughout the entire animal kingdom, including human. Doubters abound but does seem plausible considering animal nature. When I was with JAG I noticed that of the anti-gay assault (“fag bashings”) cases we handled almost all entailed some form of actual sexual assault. We pondered then, why would someone who hates gays to the point of causing them bodily harm want to actually have sexual contact with one? I think that for many openly gay men in the military, their own safety is the issue, not the safety of the hetero men. That’s actually funny to think tough marines cowering in the shower from a gay male. Other way around would be more likely.

Totally agree… its like the second people find out im a lesbian… guys wanna try and turn me and straight girls are flirting with me…

here is something for you guys who are so SET on gays wanting to be with straight people and bully you into having sex with them(LMAO).
I was in boot and I confided in one straight girl… that had never been with a woman but she was completly fine with me had a bf back home and everything… she jumped in my rack late one night and tried to get me to have sex with her… I took it as a joke… then we got to a school and the girl is flirting with me asking me out on dates and all kind of stuff… telling me that she has never felt this way about anyone before and BLAH BLAH… and trust me she hasnt been the first straight girl to do so… its like when we dont hit on them.. they get offended if we dont.. and when we do hit on them its so IMMORALY WRONG…

Here is the real issue that the pentagon will have with open gay relationships in units. It’s about fairness. With the current environment of certain states issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, in an openly gay environment here are the real problems…
1) You don’t HAVE to be gay to get married. Once it is not illegal to serve in the service as a gay member, what is the bar to the single soldier from getting all the benefits of dual military/married military privileges? Once two roommates move to their duty station from Basic, they realize that the married guys have it WAY better than the single guys do in the barracks. So, why stay single? if Joe and John take leave, go to Cali or Mass and come back with a marriage certificate, they CAN’T stay in the barracks. They now get “with dependents” BAH rates, separate rations privileges, and a free ticket out of the “GI parties” in the barracks. When it becomes financially beneficial to both parties, more soldiers will figure this out. The hard part these days is finding a girl who will tie the knot. Once two soldiers figure out that they don’t have to be gay to get married, they get more money and benefits as a married couple, and their unit can’t kick them out, now, on the basis of their “sexuality”, soldiers will start getting married in droves.
2) Same sex issues with gay marriages. If I, as a straight married man, can’t take a shower with the sex that I’m attracted to (females), why should a gay married man be able to take a shower with me? While deployed, heterosexual married couples are not allowed to live with each other (depending on the AOR and FOB), so will gay married couples have to endure the same fate? I doubt it. If I’m a single guy, I can’t room with a single girl. Why should a single gay guy get to room with another guy who he is attracted to? How fair is that? I’d like the option to have sex with my roommates too. In fact, women aren’t even allowed in male barracks for fear of sexual activity. So why do the gay guys and girls get to have all the fun?
3) Most commanders will not allow a married couple to both serve as a couple in the same unit (service and unit dependent). As such, now, a soldier who doesn’t want to deploy, or doesn’t like his CoC can get married to another willing participant in the barracks, now the unit will have to move one of the two out and send them to a different unit. This also has deployment ramifications.

Honestly, there are a lot of real issues to deal with… That is what the Pentagon knows, the service chiefs know, and the senators and representatives on the Armed Services Committee know. The President knows this too. The arguments all over these comments (hellfire and brimstone, Gays should be allowed to serve, etc…) are not the real issues behind the reason why this is a very complicated issue. Trust me, if it was easy, Clinton would have gone all the way to allow gays to serve. It is complex. Don’t ask, Don’t tell is a compromise, and that’s probably as good as it’s going to get until we have an Army like that on Starship Troopers (which we are not ready for).

just my $.02

I am for that. That was ok. All sexuality should keep it at home. Lets get rid of sexual harrasment!

intolorance? this is all about total and forced acceptance, there is a huge difference between the two.

if you dont believe in God as setting a standard then all that is left is society, and society has said keep it to yourself. some people have been born as wacked out murderers , hard wired for anti social behavior , so will we also allow them to do what ever they want becase there born that way? what ever you are born with is not an excuse for the behavoir, or we should just make no laws and let darwins therory of survival of the fitest take over.

Thank you for being who you are, Marine.

This is indeed a reputable, credible source. Thank you for posting the information, the APA did indeed drop the diagnostic section on “homosexuality” from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) many years ago, is revisiting all areas of sexual identity issues in DSM-V, anticipated completion in 2012.

“They should have the same ruling for heterosexual practices. ” This, in my experience, is key. Thank you for writing it so very clearly.

I am still in, my son chose to get out of the military. He enlisted at age 18, before DADT, came out some time during the changes, when we started talking about it. Really, there is a LOT of grabastic banter that happens that is sexual in nature. The poor LGB types who cannot openly join in are sometimes tortured by this. THAT is what has to end.

Agree with you totally. As a female service member for over three decades, the root of sexual harassment is the tolerance level for sexual talk, banter, or behavior of any kind. Change that, change attitudes. There could be even more social engineering by those who think that YOU CAN’T GET RED-BLOODED AMERICANS to not talk about sex, when they mean re-blooded America males. It is a command issue: Really, is it under control or not?

When I was in the military, I knew an awesome airman who was openly gay, he had the courage to tell his coworkers he was gay, and no one treated him any differently, he loved what he was doing and he was proud to serve his country, isn’t that all that matters? Its not like he was going around hitting on every guy in the shop. being a female in a mostly all male career field had its ups and downs(if you know what I mean). Guess its ok for a hetero male to flirt with everyone woman in the shop, but a gay guy can’t be gay even though he’s minding his own business.…..oh well.…..this is america after all, where everyone is equal.…..right?

ITS NOT ABOUT BEING GAY.IVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED OPEN HOMOSEXUALS (MALES) FLAUNT IT AT WORK AND IT MADE THE STRAIGHT MEN FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.WHY SHOULD WE THE MAJORITY HAVE TO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE?CAN I SHOWER WITH THE WOMEN?DO YOU SEE WHERE THIS GOES? WE (AMERICA) ARE BEING FORCED INTO ACCEPTING THIS.WHERES THE TOLERANCE? ITS ALL VERY SAD ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THE CHILDREN ARE UNDER ATTACK.“NO MATTER WHAT LAWS GO INTO EFFECT THEY WILL NEVER FEEL FULLY ACCEPTED ABOUT THERE LIFESTYLE CHOICE”(MY GAY FRIEND TOLD ME THAT) –CPL. HARRISON,USMC.GRUNT. 2003–2007

well its no different from open lesbians, i’m sure when I was going through basic there were some open lesbians there,but that doesn’t mean it made me unconfortable,who cares. Most americans just let stupid little things like this bother them. If he’s open so what, if he’s making advances at you its sexual harassment,its no different from manxwoman.The way homosexuals are treated in america seems no different from the way african americans were treated during the civil rights movement. are we all such hypocrites.(spl)

Paul or anyone else on here gay bashing,

What would you do if you found out that one of your children were interested in the same sex? Would you disown them? Kick them out of your house? Or try to see that it is not a disease but the way God made them? God is responsible for the creation of every one, so to say that gays are an abomination is saying the same thing about God. God has a plan for everyone, remember that.

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ok i’m an straight army guy married the whole bit. I will agree “IF” you can do your job “professionally”, (keep home at home) then your “orientation” shouldn’t really have any bearing. But honestly, you and i both know it probably does.…Yes, i’m a Christian and so you probably know my personal views, but if you are willing to lay down your life for your fellow man also, in service to “OUR” country .…then, I am proud to serve next to you.

Agreed 100%

Jay, thank you for your service. I only want to say that homosexuality is not a lifestyle. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, just like heterosexuality. There is no such thing as a “heterosexual lifestyle” and there is no such thing as a “homosexual lifestyle.” Homosexuals can and do serve without forcing their homosexuality on anyone. Again, thank you for your service.

For all of you that oppose gay people… You have some serious learning to do… We are all humans on this rock, and we all have to share this world whether you like it or not… Deal with it… Gay people aren’t going anywhere, and we are going to fight for our rights as equal Americans in the military… Hatred is the disease, not gay people… Those who hate should be ashamed of themselves… If you want a peaceful world, you need a serious non-existence of hate…

I guess you are really a flight surgeon.… Got to love it when you hear the truth… Deal with it…

With all the globally reaching problems we have to deal with in our country I’ve always remained optimistic that the American people as a whole were reasonable and logical.…until I saw your post.

I normally have a lot to say, but I am so disturbed and worried for my country over your ignorant and hateful words, that I am at a loss.

To claim that you are a Christian with all your hate and prejudice is the literal equivalent to spitting in Jesus’s face. How does it feel to spit in Jesus’s face?

Maybe more people are watching Fox “News” because it means that they don’t have to think for themselves, just swallow pre-digested propaganda paid for by the Republican party.

All the people who you describe as “flamboyant” — how do you know they’re gay? All the people who don’t act “flamboyant” — how do you know they’re heterosexual? When heteros stop shoving their lifestyle down my throat and stop acting like rednecks and Klan members, call me to task.

All you so-called Christians: as someone who’s Jewish, Baruch HaShem, I’m not one of you. Stop using your self-righteous “Christianity” to oppress and control others.

You have to love the “I’m not going to shower as a guy gets a hard on looking at my butt…” You likely already have idiot. Having 20 years in the service and one tour in Iraq (which was enough for me)…I never once popped wood in the shower. i was a company commander prior to reverting to enlisted due to civilian educational requirements, and well respected. When I finally got out my troops had a send off drunk night and I made a point of “confirming” for most I respected that I was gay. Without skipping a beat about 95% said, “yeah, we knew or suspected…” It didn’t matter they knew, and I did my job and they respected me as a commander.

there was a married soldier (married about a week before deployment) that offered via a friend while we were deployed that he’d gladly “hook up” with me anytime while in Iraq so we could both get some “relief.” I never did…but hey he was married and “straight.” I’d have been the one getting booted because I’m gay…I kept it in my pants, but he was ready to do the dirty at the drop of a hat. We had another “straight” married officer with us in Iraq, who was hooking up with a female specialist, and he wore panties the whole time we were there, and had her use toys on him. So tell me who’s the problem???

I’ve known many gay/lesbian/bi soldiers, and airmen during my career. I can’t think of one that “shoving” it in anyone’s face. But I can recall virtually ever mechanic talking about what “chick” they banged.…even while in theater. They had their own “DMP” Designated Masturbation Point for christ sake.…. To those that say “don’t shove it in my face I don’t shove it in yours.” Yes, as soon as you start talking about getting into some girl’s pants, or wow look at the t*ts on that one..that’s shoving it in my face.…

Gays in the military: it’ll work. The military can make anything work, if directed to do so. Can the military accomodate Gays? Sure they can. But only at the cost of further eroding the effectiveness of our military.
The military exists solely to fight and win our wars and protect our country. It is not supposed to reflect society’s mores, whims, and idiosyncrasies. It absolutely must uphold standards conducive to fighting and winning in battle… or, tacitly accept defeat by a superior foe.
None of our past, current, nor future enemies worry about gender and sexual equality in their military units. Their primary goal is defeating the USA military in future battle. Admitting Gays openly into the US military is simply one more step toward helping them achieve their goal.
Someday, Americans may wake up in the morning to discover that their military is incapable of providing a capable deterence to foreign aggression.

By way of introduction, let me say that I’m a straight, married-with-children, white anglo-saxon Protestent, retired Marine Master Sergeant with three combat tours. Does DADT work? Yes. So did the all-white, all-male military. Does either respect the basic human rights guaranteed by the Constitution and embraced by all major religions? No.
The fruit salad I earned on active duty — and the Civilian Meritorious Service medal I earned after retiring — attest to my love and dedication to my country, fellow servicemen and women, and all Americans. Had my family and I endured a tenth of the disrespect, humiliation and negligence that current policy and DADT forces on gays, I guarantee you I would not have been nearly as effective. All members of the military have an obligation to do what is in the best interest of their country and the military. Supporting an end to DADT would be a good start.
Nowhere have I seen anything indicating that gays are asking for special treatment — they’re simply asking for the same treatment that straights get as a matter of course. It’s the straight homophobes who are asking for special dispensation to discriminate against a select minority.

No God in government??? Haven’t you ever heard of the separation of church and state?

I AGREE — RADAR IS A MORON

Also the whole idea of “Old Navy” only conjures up in my awareness the sexual aspect of sailors on ships in the sea

all of you gay bashers should move to cuba or some other close minded country . this is america if i can worship the god i want, my god doesnt care who u choose to love just how u choose to live JUDGEMENT IS THE JOB OF THE LORD NOT MAN AS IN HUMAN SO KEEP YOUR FACIST BELIEFS IN YOUR HEAD GAYS MAKE UP MORE THEN HALF OF THE POPULATION OR ATLEAST IT WOULD IF ALL U RIGHT WING REPUBLICANS STOP KIDDING YOURSELF WE DESERVE TO LIVE AND U WONT STOP US FROM LIVING SO GET OVER YOURSELFS AND JOIN THE REST OF THE 21ST CENTURY OR JUST STAY IN YOUR NARROW LITTLE MIND BUT SAVE US THE BU*Lsh*T

Agreed

your a dumb ass learn to spell

That’s “you’re” a dumb ass, not “your” a dumb ass. I can spell, I just don’t always take the time to proofread!

I love all the points you make! Right on! I’m so tired of hearing about how horrible gay people are. We are all the same. A person’s sexual orientation does not effect how good of a Soldier he/she is or can be. I think people are forgetting about the word DISCRIMINATION, which is exactly what this policy is.

WHAT???????

It is about conducting yourself in a professional way. It is about being a responsible adult. It is about know what is approiate and what is not. Someone’s sexuality has NOTHING to do with their ability to do the job. When someone makes unwanted advances gay or straight, you have the option to just say NO. I’ve seen many “straight” soldiers make unwanted advances on their female counter parts. Mostly it was laughed off. Should these individuals been kicked out? You can’t have it both ways. This silly ban should be trashed.

Wow.…I just read the entire thread here of all the comments. I am not even sure how I feel at this point. i have served 8 years proudly and love my country as much as the next man I servee with. I report to duty every day in AWE of the awesome responsibility I ahve been given to “Defend the Country again all enemies foreign and domestic.…..and that I will bare true faith and allegiance to the same”. My private life is just that…private…I dont flaunt it…I dont talk about it.…I dont walk around waiting to “flame out” as another reader suggested. I am dedicated to the cuase of Deomcracy and this Great Nation…the greatest nation in the world. I dont want more than the next person. I just dont want to be in fear of losing the career that I love so much and have a nation turn away from me, solely based on who I chose to have diner with at night and wake up and have coffee with. That is all…nothing more.…no parades…I dont want the attention. I dont even want to fly a friggin flag. I define myself not by my orientation, but by words like “SON.…BROTHER.…GRANDSON.…” everything else is less significant. I am proud to be an American servig the greatest poeple in the world…other Americans.

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